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Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

Should the school have banned the reading of the prayer by the student?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 27.3%
  • No

    Votes: 60 68.2%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 4.5%

  • Total voters
    88
You do know that Constitutionally there is no such thing as Separation of Church and State right?

Yeah, there is, it's right there in the first amendment. You know that part about how "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". That's the separation of church and state part. I can see how it might be confusing, since it isn't written "separation of church and state", but they've come to mean the same thing.
 
Once in a great while the true feelings and beliefs of the American people slip by, slip out of the all encompassing suppressive cloak of Liberal political correctness and when this happens, the Liberals become hysterical. It frightens them to have any reminder, even the slightest, that their fantasy world in which they have prevailed over all of people they hate so much is not the actual world and they have actually not prevailed over anything at all.

It was only last year that a young lady had her diploma held up due to the offense of using the word "hell" rather than "heck" (as written in the speech)-offending those who were disproportionately conservative in either political views or in public decorum. The only thing that is predictable here is that liberals and conservatives stick up for those who are more aligned to them, ranting against the school for its heavy-handedness, all the while missing the point entirely about how these functions operate.
 
And? You claimed there's no limits on Freedom of Speech. That is false.

It's absurdly false. You cannot yell FIRE! in a crowded theater, you cannot give away state secrets to the enemy, you cannot slander someone publically, there are all kinds of limitations to freedom of speech. Anyone who says otherwise has a screw loose.
 
It's absurdly false. You cannot yell FIRE! in a crowded theater, you cannot give away state secrets to the enemy, you cannot slander someone publically, there are all kinds of limitations to freedom of speech. Anyone who says otherwise has a screw loose.

You're yelling at the wrong poster. That's exactly my point to David Taylor who claimed there is no limits on Freedom of Speech....NOT ME!
 
You're yelling at the wrong poster. That's exactly my point to David Taylor who claimed there is no limits on Freedom of Speech....NOT ME!

i think he was just agreeing with you but i could be wrong
 
You're yelling at the wrong poster. That's exactly my point to David Taylor who claimed there is no limits on Freedom of Speech....NOT ME!

I was agreeing with you and adding more details. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
 
It's absurdly false. You cannot yell FIRE! in a crowded theater, you cannot give away state secrets to the enemy, you cannot slander someone publically, there are all kinds of limitations to freedom of speech. Anyone who says otherwise has a screw loose.

As with all rights, the limitation is that you cannot infringe upon the rights of others in the exercise of your own. Though some dumbass kid reciting a prayer infringes upon no one's rights.
 
I was agreeing with you and adding more details. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

Goovy, Dude...groovy. Yes, it's absurd to believe that there is such thing as unlimited freedom of speech...and the points you made in describing where there are consequences and even severe consequences in some cases...I thought to be common knowledge, but apparently Mr. Taylor missed that part in civics class.
 
thats what I thought another lie and another dodge
the amount of egg on your face is halarious

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary

You may keep swinging the bat as long as you like. The game is over. Stadium is empty. You lost.:mrgreen:
 
As with all rights, the limitation is that you cannot infringe upon the rights of others in the exercise of your own. Though some dumbass kid reciting a prayer infringes upon no one's rights.

Unless of course the kids prayer was in Arabic, Hebrew, Assamese/Axomiya, Bengali, Hindi...just to name a few. Believe me, there would be a lot of people who would claim that their rights are being infringed on by imposing a Christian prayer on them.

Now, not to be an ass, I think you know that there are Christians who believe its alright for prayer to be said until somebody in school stands up and starts reading a prayer out of the Koran...etc.
 
You may keep swinging the bat as long as you like. The game is over. Stadium is empty. You lost.:mrgreen:
translation: you cant prove my statement wrong

im sure you believe that but facts and links prove you wrong LOL

the game is over, you actually lost and the stadium still has spectators watching you desperately trying to save face and laughing at the entertainment.

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
 
Unless of course the kids prayer was in Arabic, Hebrew, Assamese/Axomiya, Bengali, Hindi...just to name a few. Believe me, there would be a lot of people who would claim that their rights are being infringed on by imposing a Christian prayer on them.

Now, not to be an ass, I think you know that there are Christians who believe its alright for prayer to be said until somebody in school stands up and starts reading a prayer out of the Koran...etc.

There is probably a large segment that would definitely hoot and holler if it were something other than a Christian prayer, or if it were some kid spouting something reminiscent of atheism. But that's neither here nor there. I don't see what this kid did as being anything of significance and it certainly didn't rise to a high enough level to surpass my "give a ****" threshold. In general, I would say be it a Christian prayer or Muslim of Judaism, or a denouncement of all gods and instead emphasis on our own abilities and will would be acceptable.
 
translation: you cant prove my statement wrong

im sure you believe that but facts and links prove you wrong LOL

the game is over, you actually lost and the stadium still has spectators watching you desperately trying to save face and laughing at the entertainment.

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary

I have already proven you wrong. The game is over, and yet there is a fly buzzing around.:cool:
 
I have already proven you wrong. The game is over, and yet there is a fly buzzing around.:cool:
another lie :shrug: you are fooling nobody lol

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
 
another lie :shrug: you are fooling nobody lol

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary

Yawn.:coffeepap
 
Nobody was required to be there, they were there by choice.

It was a captive audience because people were there to see their child/relative graduate and not to see or hear an impromptu sermon. A "captive" audience doesn't actually mean that the audience is being held against their will you know. :roll:
 
I didn't know they had a madrassah in Liberty, SC.............................

The young man was within his rights as enunciated in the U.S. Constitution. As you know, I'm not religious myself but I believe Christians are protected by the Constitution just like everyone else.:cool:
Good evening, Bonz.:2wave:
 
Yawn.:coffeepap

still nothing huh? thats what i thought :laughat:
my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
 
still nothing huh? thats what i thought :laughat:
my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary

You can wave your arms and shout all you want. I had this same problem once with posters who claimed states have a right to secede from the Union. They don't. Likewise, your claim has been definitively quashed by the SCOTUS. You were wrong, that was demonstrated, and you lost the debate. It's over.:cool:
 
The young man was within his rights as enunciated in the U.S. Constitution. As you know, I'm not religious myself but I believe Christians are protected by the Constitution just like everyone else.:cool:
Good evening, Bonz.:2wave:

I personally support his right to recite the prayer as his "speech". If he was attempting to perform a religious rite, I support anyone one who would shout him down........................Hi...................
 
I personally support his right to recite the prayer as his "speech". If he was attempting to perform a religious rite, I support anyone one who would shout him down........................

It was a speech, so I suppose I can count you as one of his supporters.:cool:
 
You can wave your arms and shout all you want. I had this same problem once with posters who claimed states have a right to secede from the Union. They don't. Likewise, your claim has been definitively quashed by the SCOTUS. You were wrong, that was demonstrated, and you lost the debate. It's over.:cool:

another dodge LMAO
Scotus proves me right and support my claim 100% as already proven with links, why do you lie LMAO

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
 
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