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Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

Should the school have banned the reading of the prayer by the student?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 27.3%
  • No

    Votes: 60 68.2%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 4.5%

  • Total voters
    88
They had graduated! It was a ceremony, not some in school function. These "children" are our future leaders, gawd help us we have more like him...

Again, what if they said the "F" word on stage? Is that okay too? This was a prayer and not a curse word, but the idea is the same. They have to follow the rules of the school or face consequences.
 
Yeah, well that's not your decision to make. I wouldn't want radical Islam being preached in schools either. It is a smart idea to keep religion out of public school.

If you want your children exposed to religion in school, then send them to the private religious school of your choice.

There is nothing smart about shielding students from the first amendment to the Constitution...
 
I don't have a problem with the speech. It seems that he breached school board policy but that no action is being planned against him. Nothing really to get outraged about on all sides.
 
Again, what if they said the "F" word on stage? Is that okay too? This was a prayer and not a curse word, but the idea is the same. They have to follow the rules of the school or face consequences.

What if he had? Would that be something reflecting on anyone else other than the speaker?
 
There is nothing smart about shielding students from the first amendment to the Constitution...

It isn't shielding them. It's keeping religion out of school and school sponsored events. Nobody is keeping them away from religion.
 
It isn't shielding them. It's keeping religion out of school and school sponsored events. Nobody is keeping them away from religion.

Who the hell decided religion should be kept out of schools?
 
I don't have a problem with the speech. It seems that he breached school board policy but that no action is being planned against him. Nothing really to get outraged about on all sides.

It's more about the idea that people are thinking this is a good idea and should be allowed to happen.
 
Again, what if they said the "F" word on stage? Is that okay too? This was a prayer and not a curse word, but the idea is the same. They have to follow the rules of the school or face consequences.

There are local and state obscene speech laws. However, if it's okay in that state or locality to say in public, it's okay here. Now, the admins and some audience members (including the kid's own parents) may throw a fit, but there's zilch they can do about it. Other than the kid's parents of course, they can exact their own consequences upon the kid.
 
Who the hell decided religion should be kept out of schools?

We did when we lost all capability of live and let live. Once people start getting into other people's business, their business becomes public concern. If we'd stop bitching about every little damned thing and let people go on so long as they didn't infringe upon the rights of others, we wouldn't have this problem.
 
"Lying" , per se, is considered unChristian, but lying to further Christian sedition against Life is a totally sanctioned tactic...................

Hmmm. I was thinking of the theological conundrum of lying to avoid an immoral outcome or infliction of harm. Troubling since Augustine.:cool:
 
We did when we lost all capability of live and let live. Once people start getting into other people's business, their business becomes public concern. If we'd stop bitching about every little damned thing and let people go on so long as they didn't infringe upon the rights of others, we wouldn't have this problem.

Exactly. People should not shove their religious beliefs and prayers down the throats of other people who are there to see a graduation and not a sermon.
 
A few rare examples. There's a reason why this is considered "news." It is because it doesn't generally happen.

Happens with all the schools in the district I attended and the districts I've taught in. Even little Georgetown, where you can stand on one town boundry line and spit, hitting the opposite line. The students there had a combined graduation ceremony with the town over, held at the grange.
 
Who the hell decided religion should be kept out of schools?

An interesting question................As interesting as " What, if anything, would one teach in a Christian madrassah ? " ...........Fred Flintstone invented the "saddle" ?.............................
 
Exactly. People should not shove their religious beliefs and prayers down the throats of other people who are there to see a graduation and not a sermon.

Do any of the people there actually want to listen to anyone speak, really?
 
No, they don't just get to say whatever they want. Their speeches are supposed to be pre-approved. This kid changed his speech without prior approval. Just like the little girl who got into trouble for saying "hell" in her speech. People have to learn to follow rules and to quit whining when they WILLFULLY break them.

I'm not saying "break rules". I'm saying "approve the kid's speech as long as it's reasonable." Any moron offended by the mentioning of God or prayer is as weak-minded as they come. Plug your ears and hum if it saves your fragile little brain.
 
Exactly. People should not shove their religious beliefs and prayers down the throats of other people who are there to see a graduation and not a sermon.

Doesn't that apply equally then to commencement speakers who talk about non-religious principles that some in the audience didn't sign up to hear (someone always objects)?
 
Exactly. People should not shove their religious beliefs and prayers down the throats of other people who are there to see a graduation and not a sermon.

I'm about as atheist as one can get, and I don't view this as "shoving their religious beliefs and prayers down the throats of other people". It was just some kid thinking he was hot stuff reciting a prayer. There's no problem here, so long as all other venues are equally kept open (as I have outlined before).
 
Yeah, well that's not your decision to make. I wouldn't want radical Islam being preached in schools either. It is a smart idea to keep religion out of public school.

If you want your children exposed to religion in school, then send them to the private religious school of your choice.

It wasn't school; it was a graduation ceremony. We don't let children wear long black robes and funny hats in school either. Our children are all grown up and we have eight grandchildren. All have attended a variety of public and private schools in the US and abroad. The lesson? They're quite stable and durable, and perfectly capable of making sound choices.:peace
 
Hmmm. I was thinking of the theological conundrum of lying to avoid an immoral outcome or infliction of harm. Troubling since Augustine.:cool:

Or how about lying about being a Christian to avoid sharing a sleeping bag with a lion ? Rumor has it there were millions of those type of liars....................
 
I'm not saying "break rules". I'm saying "approve the kid's speech as long as it's reasonable." Any moron offended by the mentioning of God or prayer is as weak-minded as they come. Plug your ears and hum if it saves your fragile little brain.

Well, this is simply your opinion and nothing more. The fact is the speech was pre-approved and then the boy changed the speech without getting permission and included the Lord's Prayer in his speech.
 
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