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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    All this "liability" bs given as an excuse to restrict speech is just that, bs. Good evening 2m...
    Free spech on the public dime?

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    All this "liability" bs given as an excuse to restrict speech is just that, bs. Good evening 2m...
    Oh okay. Frivolous lawsuits against schools NEVER happen.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I'm sure the King wasn't pleased with our founders either, but they found the gonads to speak...
    What?! You aren't comparing this to the Revolutionary war are you? Good Grief! Let's try to keep things in perspective here!

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Have you ever been to NYC? If so, you would know that many things are said on the sidewalks that you wouldn't agree with, but those expressing their thoughts have the right to do so. In the city where I live there are daily protests outside of the abortion clinics. Does it offend some, you bet, but they have the right to do so. We would still be subjects to British or Spanish rule if some had not found the courage to speak out in public...
    Paul your right , on what you state, becuase no one is made to stand there is listen to them, people are free to keep moving on go on with there business.

    but in public buildings, all people have to use them for services.... and becuase people have to convene in certain places to transact business, you dont have a right, to use that situation as a public form for your speech.

    because in a sense you have them held captive ,becuase they have to get whatever business they have done.

    as the example before, do you think if i am standing in line in the DMV, i want to preaching to me and telling me i am going to hell...or i am a sinner....no i dont have to listen you bow beat me, while i wait for service from the state.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Again, we're talking about students on school property. There are a LOT of things that even I, as an adult, cannot do on school property. These same principles carry over to any kind of school sponsored public event.

    The thing of it is, is that the school has to worry about frivolous lawsuits. Most schools don't have the money to fight lawsuits so they take certain precautions to make sure that it doesn't happen, and the Supreme Court tends to think that it is okay. If the students are allowed to hold private prayer group during school hours on school grounds, then the school IS trying to honor their right to practice their religions, and it is not unreasonable for the school to expect their students to follow the rules and submit speeches and things to them in the appropriate way.

    Another point you made earlier about children having equal rights as adults is just not true. For instance, if my mother held me in her home against my will, that would be considered kidnapping because I am an adult. However, if I was 12 or even 17 years old, my mother most certainly COULD hold me in her home against my will. I would not have the same rights that I possess now as an adult. I know that's not relevant, but I was just using it as an example of how rights of kids and adults can differ greatly.
    So, because schools do not have the funds to defend against frivolous lawsuits is a sufficient reason to alter what is allowed at school functions? I would think that society would take action against those bringing such suits rather than trying to placate those responsible. If one out of a hundred were offended by what might be said at an event, I would suggest they leave should that occur.

    Seventeen year olds that are graduating HS are no longer "children". They are the young adults in which you strove to instill personal responsibility and sound decision making capabilities. I could not and would not be upset if one of mine stood up for what he/she believed to be right...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    So, because schools do not have the funds to defend against frivolous lawsuits is a sufficient reason to alter what is allowed at school functions? I would think that society would take action against those bringing such suits rather than trying to placate those responsible. If one out of a hundred were offended by what might be said at an event, I would suggest they leave should that occur.

    Seventeen year olds that are graduating HS are no longer "children". They are the young adults in which you strove to instill personal responsibility and sound decision making capabilities. I could not and would not be upset if one of mine stood up for what he/she believed to be right...
    Blame the lawyers. No 17-year-old high school students for the most part are still under their parents supervision. Parents are still legally responsible for their children until they are 18 unless they get emancipated.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Paul your right , on what you state, becuase no one is made to stand there is listen to them, people are free to keep moving on go on with there business.

    but in public buildings, all people have to use them for services.... and becuase people have to convene in certain places to transact business, you dont have a right, to use that situation as a public form for your speech.

    because in a sense you have them held captive ,becuase they have to get whatever business they have done.

    as the example before, do you think if i am standing in line in the DMV, i want to preaching to me and telling me i am going to hell...or i am a sinner....no i dont have to listen you bow beat me, while i wait for service from the state.
    You would have to hear, not listen, to what anyone is saying just as you have to put up with individuals talking on their cell phone...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    All this "liability" bs given as an excuse to restrict speech is just that, bs. Good evening 2m...
    The recitation of the Lord's Prayer as a revolutionary act ?..................Oh, the humanity.........................

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Blame the lawyers. No 17-year-old high school students for the most part are still under their parents supervision. Parents are still legally responsible for their children until they are 18 unless they get emancipated.
    No, I would not be held responsible if my underage child illegally obtained alcohol and had a car wreck. No, I would not be held responsible for my child's decision to illegally obtain and use drugs. What I might be responsible for is not instilling in them the ability to make sound choices...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Seventeen year olds that are graduating HS are no longer "children". They are the young adults in which you strove to instill personal responsibility and sound decision making capabilities. I could not and would not be upset if one of mine stood up for what he/she believed to be right...
    That is all fine and good. But as adults we need to find ways to pay for it if one wants to pontificate their ideals. Not on the public dime unless equal time is a given to different veiwpoints. It is called equality.

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