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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Yes, I could pray in line, and asking others to do so as well is not out of bounds unless some threat is implied should they choose not to agree. Making "nasty remarks to me, demean me, and make racial remarks" would be considered intimidation. What this student did does not equate to any of these...
    can you pray in line ...yes ....if you dont bother other people, when you do, by getting loud, make remarks which are unkind to other people.......your going to get throw out, and your going to find, you dont have any rights to do as you will.

    exercisable rights are not an absolute ..........everywhere..........not on property you dont own.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    That was unkind..................
    I know I apologize...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    can you pray in line ...yes ....if you dont bother other people, when you do, by getting loud, make remarks which are unkind to other people.......your going to get throw out, and your going to find, you dont have any rights to do as you will.

    exercisable rights are not an absolute ..........everywhere..........not on property you dont own.
    I believe you just agreed. I'm attempting to remain on the topic of the thread and what the student actually did, which was not inflammatory in any manner...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I appreciate your reasoned response, but the country was founded on some of these basic principles, and it seems that over the last 40-50 years we are trying to do everything to respect the rights of those that might be offended at the expense of why the country was founded...
    When I was in the 8th grade at Druid Hills High School in Atlanta I had home room in the biology lab. We all sat around big lab tables. There was a girl, Rena Levin, the most beautiful creature I had ever seen, I was captivated. I didn't know squat from religion, wasn't raised to see a difference. Every morning during the announcements over the intercom they would finish with a prayer, a Christian prayer. With most everyone closing their eyes I always tried to steal long looks at Rena on the other side of the table. Me thinking her eyes would be closed. They never were. F-i-n-a-l-l-y it dawned on me one day - I'm not that bright - that my Jewish and Arab friends weren't closing their eyes during the prayer. That is the first time in my life that I realized that the indiscriminate use of religion could ostracize people, and me being a Roman Catholic! It bothered me. It was wrong.










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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I believe you just agreed. I'm attempting to remain on the topic of the thread and what the student actually did, which was not inflammatory in any manner...
    i agree, however when i go to places of activity, that the community must share, i dont get to exercise my rights to the fullest extend i wish.

    do i think anyone was hurt.......no. ..however again, i would have been offended if the student, was a wiggen, and brought that up.

    one of the problems i have spoken about many times on this forum is people think they have rights all the time, and that they can even exercise them on someone else property.....which i always fight against that kind of thinking.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i agree, however when i go to places of activity, that the community must share, i dont get to exercise my rights to the fullest extend i wish.

    do i think anyone was hurt.......no. ..however again, i would have been offended if the student, was a wiggen, and brought that up.

    one of the problems i have spoken about many times on this forum is people think they have rights all the time, and that they can even exercise them on someone else property.....which i always fight against that kind of thinking.
    Have you ever been to NYC? If so, you would know that many things are said on the sidewalks that you wouldn't agree with, but those expressing their thoughts have the right to do so. In the city where I live there are daily protests outside of the abortion clinics. Does it offend some, you bet, but they have the right to do so. We would still be subjects to British or Spanish rule if some had not found the courage to speak out in public...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Maybe he could sacrifice a couple of goats or something too.
    Ohh tacos al pastor, yummy!

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you going to continue on with this intellectual dishonesty that is on full display here, or are you going to concede that schools do have a right to monitor and limit what is said in student speeches at school sponsored events where the school is liable for statements made?
    I'll just rely on your link and conclude that it depends on the jurisdiction. Beyond that, I think that "dishonesty" is a disproportionate word for discussion of an 18 year old's recitation of the Lord's Prayer.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'll just rely on your link and conclude that it depends on the jurisdiction. Beyond that, I think that "dishonesty" is a disproportionate word for discussion of an 18 year old's recitation of the Lord's Prayer.
    All this "liability" bs given as an excuse to restrict speech is just that, bs. Good evening 2m...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I appreciate your reasoned response, but the country was founded on some of these basic principles, and it seems that over the last 40-50 years we are trying to do everything to respect the rights of those that might be offended at the expense of why the country was founded...
    Again, we're talking about students on school property. There are a LOT of things that even I, as an adult, cannot do on school property. These same principles carry over to any kind of school sponsored public event.

    The thing of it is, is that the school has to worry about frivolous lawsuits. Most schools don't have the money to fight lawsuits so they take certain precautions to make sure that it doesn't happen, and the Supreme Court tends to think that it is okay. If the students are allowed to hold private prayer group during school hours on school grounds, then the school IS trying to honor their right to practice their religions, and it is not unreasonable for the school to expect their students to follow the rules and submit speeches and things to them in the appropriate way.

    Another point you made earlier about children having equal rights as adults is just not true. For instance, if my mother held me in her home against my will, that would be considered kidnapping because I am an adult. However, if I was 12 or even 17 years old, my mother most certainly COULD hold me in her home against my will. I would not have the same rights that I possess now as an adult. I know that's not relevant, but I was just using it as an example of how rights of kids and adults can differ greatly.

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