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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, yes, and if you don't like what is being spoken, feel free to exit...
    so your saying you, can with you exercise free speech, say things which are offense to other people who have just come to a graduation of their child.

    so the next time, you go to a gathering of people, and someone sitting next to your wife, they can exercise free speech and say things to her which are offensive.....and she has to deal with it, or leave?

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so your saying you, can with you exercise free speech, say things which are offense to other people who have just come to a graduation of their child.

    so the next time, you go to a gathering of people, and someone sitting next to your wife, they can exercise free speech and say things to her which are offensive.....and she has to deal with it, or leave?
    Actually, they might have to deal with the consequences before I escort her out. You're usually a bit more logical than this...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so your saying you, can with you exercise free speech, say things which are offense to other people who have just come to a graduation of their child.

    so the next time, you go to a gathering of people, and someone sitting next to your wife, they can exercise free speech and say things to her which are offensive.....and she has to deal with it, or leave?
    If we're talking legally here, and the words aren't either fighting words (as recognised by the courts) or obscenities (as recognised by the courts), then yes, you got the gist of it. The speaker's free speech right trumps your wife's nonexistent right to not [choose to] be offended.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Actually, they might have to deal with the consequences before I escort her out. You're usually a bit more logical than this...
    in fact i am being quit logical......

    becuase your right to speech in limited in a public buildings, this helps prevent arguments between people and fights from erupting.

    what your describing is, you will hurt someone if they offend your wife...and thats normal, its human nature!...anyone would not want to see their wife offended, and that's why speech is limited in public budilings and you are not allowed to say anything you want to.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Okay, let's assume you're correct. What difference does it make? They are either getting ready to go of to college or enter the workforce. They are adults for all practical purposes, but that is not really the point. The point is the government shall make no law regarding the free exercise of religion or freedom of speech. I don't need government to protect me from being offended...
    Actually they are not emancipated until they are 18.










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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Actually, they might have to deal with the consequences before I escort her out. You're usually a bit more logical than this...
    I was high at my high school graduation.................FYI.................... .....

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    My argument relates to freedoms while you want to argue semantics. If by graduating at the top of the class a person earns the privilege of addressing his/her classmates, why do you think that address requires prior approval?
    So he can drop trou and talk about the value of nudism in a free society?










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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    If we're talking legally here, and the words aren't either fighting words (as recognised by the courts) or obscenities (as recognised by the courts), then yes, you got the gist of it. The speaker's free speech right trumps your wife's nonexistent right to not [choose to] be offended.
    not so close, your right to say anything is protected on your own property... it not protected on public property like buildings, if a person has to transact business , say the DMV, getting a license to drive, that person does not have to sit there and listen to you speak fowl names...while they wait to be served.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    in fact i am being quit logical......

    becuase your right to speech in limited in a public buildings, this helps prevent arguments between people and fights from erupting.

    what your describing is, you will hurt someone if they offend your wife...and thats normal, its human nature!...anyone would not want to see their wife offended, and that's why speech is limited in public budilings and you are not allowed to say anything you want to.
    ernst, we're not discussing inflammatory speech. The discussion concerns a student's belief that his right to free expression of religion trumps the political correctness of some thinking that it equates to a governmental "establishment" of religion. You're usually more of a defender of the country's founding, but if we all thought we should blindly acquiesce to governmental control, we would be little more than a country of robots...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    not so close, your right to say anything is protected on your own property... it not protected on public property like buildings, if a person has to transact business , say the DMV, getting a license to drive, that person does not have to sit there and listen to you speak fowl names...while they wait to be served.
    If I were standing in line for a driver's license, there is nothing stopping me from reciting the Lord's Prayer or stating I hate religion. Free speech is not restricted to one's property...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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