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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Maybe not, maybe so. Doesn't change that he wouldn't necessarily be wrong in doing so.
    He was wrong. He was in a position of privilege. There is a reason why schools have valedictorians submit their speeches for approval before giving them.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I still don't see how one person getting up and expressing what they believe in, which they have a right to do, would do that. If anything, others listening should just find it interesting about what the person believes and move on. It is not forcing anyone into a religion.
    You do not have the right to do whatever you want whenever you want.

    There are consequences for your actions.

    Conversely, those of us who don't want to hear you praying, or preaching about your beliefs, or just talking about religion in general can speak out about it.

    Some of us believe you can't just get down with religion any time you want.

    I personally think a moment of silence in most situations is adequate and reasonable for all.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    But apparently since it was a prayer to a Christian God then it is worth revering.




    Then why not allow all the students to have their say?
    They can, just not in that particular instance. It was a speech to be given by the Valedictorian. He earned the right to give the speech. Why does nobody make a big stink when the President references God?
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    You do not have the right to do whatever you want whenever you want.

    There are consequences for your actions.

    Conversely, those of us who don't want to hear you praying, or preaching about your beliefs, or just talking about religion in general can speak out about it.

    Some of us believe you can't just get down with religion any time you want.

    I personally think a moment of silence in most situations is adequate and reasonable for all.
    He was referencing what he believed helped him in his success.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    It's voluntary for a student to be at graduation... ok whatever you say. I suppose you never graduated then because mine was sure mandatory.
    Graduation ceremonies are not mandatory in any state, never have been in the US. I graduated a year early, there was no ceremony for me. I could have gone to the one for the class before me, but again it's not mandatory, I was busy signing on to summer college courses.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I know many people who haven't gone to their HS graduations. They aren't going to come pick you up and make you come.
    there are always circumstances where people do not attend, and obviously they will still graduate if they cannot be present, but in all reality it ois technically a mandatory event. And anyways they would think it to be a secular event, they had no way of knowing that there would be certain religions brought upon them.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Graduation ceremonies are not mandatory in any state, never have been in the US. I graduated a year early, there was no ceremony for me. I could have gone to the one for the class before me, but again it's not mandatory, I was busy signing on to summer college courses.
    you have checked with every school in the US? Each school has different policies. There are no laws saying that but that doesn't mean the schools dont.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    It was a speech to be given by the Valedictorian. He earned the right to give the speech.
    Rights are inherent, not earned. The F student has as much of a right to freedom of speech as a valedictorian. The podium was a position of PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT. The school did not have to give it to him.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    He was wrong. He was in a position of privilege. There is a reason why schools have valedictorians submit their speeches for approval before giving them.
    No, I'm aware of the reasons the schools do that and it's their last grasp for the illusory control they have. The fact of the matter is there is absolutely nothing the school can do if the valedictorian goes off script (except perhaps shut off the mic).

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    there are always circumstances where people do not attend, and obviously they will still graduate if they cannot be present, but in all reality it ois technically a mandatory event. And anyways they would think it to be a secular event, they had no way of knowing that there would be certain religions brought upon them.
    And why is it then ok for the President to do the same?
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