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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when i speak about issues like these, i always ask myself a question....and one is " who's property is it"

    i am a strong supporter of private property rights, and when pubic property is in play, you cant treat it like private, their are limitations on your rights when your on public property.
    and you can't believe how incredibly offensive I find that viewpoint. As I stated, so long as you aren't promoting hate, inciting violence, or promoting something illegal anything and everything should be allowed on public property because no one person owns it, it is owed, in theory anyhow, by the public. Everyone. So everyone has a right to do as they see fit, everything but the above exclusions.

    On private property, again you can do as you please, save the above exclusions. You just have to be prepared to leave peacefully should the owners of that private property demand it.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I'm sorry, but just because some may be offended is not a good enough reason to restrict someone's rights as expressed in the Constitution...
    Children's rights are not at the same level as the rights of an adult. Did you not realize that?

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You would be wrong about that. At school sponsored events, the school is allowed to restrict any speech that they think could be offensive or align them with a particular religious denomination. The Supreme Court says that they can, as long as it is not a horrible infringement, but they are certainly allowed to approve or restrict certain content.
    I really don't care what the SCOTUS has ruled. They are humans and are subject to prejudices as we all are. I'm not a very PC person...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    and you can't believe how incredibly offensive I find that viewpoint. As I stated, so long as you aren't promoting hate, inciting violence, or promoting something illegal anything and everything should be allowed on public property because no one person owns it, it is owed, in theory anyhow, by the public. Everyone. So everyone has a right to do as they see fit, everything but the above exclusions.

    On private property, again you can do as you please, save the above exclusions. You just have to be prepared to leave peacefully should the owners of that private property demand it.
    The thing is, it is not exclusive to anyone because the rules would apply to EVERY religious denomination. Oh, and the state owns public property.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Was it? I've forgotten already. Something about bald I think.
    yeah, I use to hit the bottle hard on the weekends myself...

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Children's rights are not at the same level as the rights of an adult. Did you not realize that?
    HS graduates are not children, and I didn't notice a distinction in the Constitution between children and adults...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I really don't care what the SCOTUS has ruled. They are humans and are subject to prejudices as we all are. I'm not a very PC person...
    Look, schools have a right to maintain some semblance of order. They are dealing with children, a lot of them petulant. I'm sure that when your children were small, they couldn't say whatever they liked to you and your wife. Were you restricting their rights? I don't think so. You are just being stubborn and trying to look upon children as though they are adults and expected to just behave like one. That's just not the case most of the time unfortunately.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    HS graduates are not children, and I didn't notice a distinction in the Constitution between children and adults...
    They most certainly are children until they are 18. That is when they gain their full rights and status as adults.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Respect for rules and how to follow them. That is just part of being a grown-up. Grown-ups who don't follow rules are called "criminals."
    Is that how we're downplaying tyranny nowadays.... I see....

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Look, schools have a right to maintain some semblance of order. They are dealing with children, a lot of them petulant. I'm sure that when your children were small, they couldn't say whatever they liked to you and your wife. Were you restricting their rights? I don't think so. You are just being stubborn and trying to look upon children as though they are adults and expected to just behave like one. That's just not the case most of the time unfortunately.
    What I did with regard to the discipline of my children was not subject to Constitutional review, and once more, these are not children...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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