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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Doesn't matter, not a captive audience, it's the student's own view, not endorsed by the school == student's right to free speech.
    Nope, the school is allowed to review, restrict and/or approve the speech. If the speech contains prayers or profanity, the school can have the student omit those portions.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Really, why not just put your fingers in your ears and scream CHILDREN CAN DO AND SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT WHENEVER THEY WANT TO! LOL. Ridiculous.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nope, the school is allowed to review, restrict and/or approve the speech. If the speech contains prayers or profanity, the school can have the student omit those portions.
    I read in one report that he had the speech vetted, then tore it up when he reached the podium. That speaks to deceit n his part. Lying for the Lord.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    I read in one report that he had the speech vetted, then tore it up when he reached the podium. That speaks to deceit n his part. Lying for the Lord.
    That's my understanding of how it happened as well. He never submitted his speech which included the prayer for approval. He just decided on his own that he was going to do this. Personally, I think it's more of an attention-getting ploy than anything else. Just because he was the valedictorian doesn't mean he was an angel.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Again, I have to say LOL. You have no idea what his intentions were.
    Why would you say "lol"? Lol is an action, not a word, you don't say it, you do it. But hay knock yourself out, just know you look like an idiot.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why would you say "lol"? Lol is an action, not a word, you don't say it, you do it.
    No, when I read some of your posts, I actually do say LOL to myself.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Public property, certainly they do. private property, they do too, but the owners also have the right to ask them to leave.
    even on public property you dont have rights to do as your please.

    can you bare a firearm in a public building?, can people just run off at the mouth in a public building? can you and many others assemble an hold a worship serve in a public building, without getting permission.

    you cannot just becuase something is public..... exercise any right you have.

    on the public streets, it has become an accepted practice, but not usually in public buildings.

    becuase different from the streets, people of many aspects of life have to convene in public buildings for some type of business, and they should not have to be subject to you exercising any right you wish to.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you kidding? You MUST be kidding. This case law SPECIFICALLY deals with prayer during a graduation ceremony. ANY prayer by ANY guest, student or school employee.
    Is your English no good? What did the opinion state?

    The question before us is whether including clerical members who offer prayers as part of the official school graduation ceremony is


    It is limited in its review. You cannot, honestly, with a shred of intellectual honesty expand what was written explicitly into the broad interpretation you're trying to pass off.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Hello?? Schools are run by local governmental bodies. You are just wrong. Admit it. The school has every "right" to monitor and disallow certain content if it feels that it even MIGHT be offensive, that includes any kind of school-sponsored events, ESPECIALLY when it comes to religious content.


    No kidding. No I am not. I won't, can't make me. I already stated what the school has a right to not allow. Prayer doesn't fall under this catagory.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Essentially the prayer has nothing to do with the real issue: and that is do school administrator's have the authority to review and even censor parts of a speech? I say they do in this case because the child was in a position of privilege. If he was in a classroom or in the hallways then that is another matter. Even then, students and faculty don't have complete freedom of speech as they can be disciplined for cursing and other forms of offensive language.

    What you are equating is prayer to cursing, which actually is something that can be found to be offensive.

    I never said they don't. So long as its review falls under the before mentioned criteria.

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