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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And "someone being offended" is not the gold standard for restricting free speech. You have a right to speak, you do not have a right to not be offended.
    Well it is at a school sponsored event.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's because it's up to the school what rules they set when it comes to speeches.
    No, read the decision again and the legal analysis. The school does not have this power, the courts in the local jurisdiction do and as a conseqeunce of that the school board may set policy. However, if you read on you'll find that even local jurisdictional policy decisions do not override the student's right to the First (as long as they are not speaking for the school).

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Here is ANOTHER link saying that students DO NOT have the same free speech rights while at school or school sponsored events. Really, I wonder just how many more of these I'll have to post.

    Student Free Speech Rights Limited in Supreme Court Ruling | Bracewell & Giuliani

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, read the decision again and the legal analysis. The school does not have this power, the courts in the local jurisdiction do and as a conseqeunce of that the school board may set policy. However, if you read on you'll find that even local jurisdictional policy decisions do not override the student's right to the First (as long as they are not speaking for the school).
    You're wrong again.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    If a school is going to allow religious content above and beyond what is normally allowed (such as private prayer gatherings for students with like-minded beliefs, etc.), then they MUST have a disclaimer, otherwise it could be interpreted that this is also what the school believes and THAT would be the school endorsing religion.
    Once again, valedictorian speeches are the thoughts of the student, NOT the school. It is up to the school to provide the disclaimer NOT the valedictorian (who clearly did anyway in this regard by putting his speech away and making it public it was his own decision).

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well it is at a school sponsored event.
    Does not matter in this case. Especially since the attendance was fully voluntary. If it were mandatory that would be different. This is according to all the SCOTUS rulings on the matter.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, valedictorian speeches are the thoughts of the student, NOT the school. It is up to the school to provide the disclaimer NOT the valedictorian (who clearly did anyway in this regard by putting his speech away and making it public it was his own decision).
    You are wrong. The valedictorian clearly represents the school, especially when the graduation itself is a school sponsored event. It's really not that complicated an issue to understand. The problem with THIS specific case is that the boy submitted a speech for pre-approval which it was, then changed his speech and did not get approval for those changes.

    The school was NOT given an opportunity to provide a disclaimer in this situation.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Here is ANOTHER link saying that students DO NOT have the same free speech rights while at school or school sponsored events. Really, I wonder just how many more of these I'll have to post.

    Student Free Speech Rights Limited in Supreme Court Ruling | Bracewell & Giuliani
    Not germaine to this case at all. You have the relevent court decision already (Lee), and it disagrees with your stance.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Does not matter in this case. Especially since the attendance was fully voluntary. If it were mandatory that would be different. This is according to all the SCOTUS rulings on the matter.
    Obviously you haven't been reading the links, or even your OWN link for that matter. The conclusion clearly states that schools CAN limit a student's speech if they feel such speech would be offensive. The audience being voluntary is besides the point. Also, it WOULD be a captive audience simply for the fact that parents are there to see their children graduate, just as people standing in line at a grocery store would be considered a captive audience.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Not germaine to this case at all. You have the relevent court decision already (Lee), and it disagrees with your stance.
    LOL! I already posted the conclusion of court case in your link, and it does agree with what I've been saying.

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