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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No it doesn't. He is allowed to pray as a student (even out loud). No one was compelled to pray.
    They were forced to listen though.

    The Justice Department:

    The right to engage in voluntary prayer does not include the right to have a captive audience for that prayer or to compel other students to participate.
    His audience was captive: thus a violation....not rocket science.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Ok, that might have been a stretch with mandatory prayer sessions, but in all reality, it would open the doors to small more insignificant things, that in the long run could cultivate to that.
    I still don't see how one person getting up and expressing what they believe in, which they have a right to do, would do that. If anything, others listening should just find it interesting about what the person believes and move on. It is not forcing anyone into a religion.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Absolutely not. I'm sorry if freedom of religion or free speech offends people (actually I'm not).

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I still don't see how one person getting up and expressing what they believe in, which they have a right to do, would do that. If anything, others listening should just find it interesting about what the person believes and move on. It is not forcing anyone into a religion.
    Well i mean this is where we just have to agree to disagree and move on because I'm not changing my view on it and I'm guessing you aren't either.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Freedom of speech my friend.
    Would it have been okay then for anyone to get up on stage and start giving a speech? Don't get me wrong, I am as much of a proponent of the 1st amendment as anyone. But the valedictorian was in a position of privilege no one else had. He was wrong to give a speech/prayer that was unapproved by the administration.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    They were forced to listen though.

    The Justice Department:



    His audience was captive: thus a violation....not rocket science.
    Sorry, this crowd at a voluntary event does not qualify as a "captive audience".

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    again no matter whether id be ok with it the facts wont change

    The school has every right to limit and or sensor any speech that is being made at their function.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Applauded? No, however, I wouldn't be making a huge deal of it.
    But apparently since it was a prayer to a Christian God then it is worth revering.


    If it is what he wanted to say let him say it.
    Then why not allow all the students to have their say?
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Sorry, this crowd at a voluntary event does not qualify as a "captive audience".
    It's voluntary for a student to be at graduation... ok whatever you say. I suppose you never graduated then because mine was sure mandatory.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    It's voluntary for a student to be at graduation... ok whatever you say. I suppose you never graduated then because mine was sure mandatory.
    I know many people who haven't gone to their HS graduations. They aren't going to come pick you up and make you come.
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