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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And why would you believe that?
    The school can mandate that speeches be subject to preapproval, just as ANY speech at any venue.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He absolutely had the right to change his speech because the school had no right to forbid religious expression. The SCOTUS is on his side.
    For you Mr. Jack Hays, since you apparently missed it.

    The Supreme Court’s decisions have left open several issues regarding religious expression at graduation events that lower courts have addressed in a variety of ways. Principals and school boards will look to lower court opinions in their jurisdictions (if any) that deal with these issues for guidance. Thus, specific restrictions on free speech may vary between jurisdictions. At the most basic level, however, schools may not restrict students’ speech based on the students’ religious viewpoint. Under current law in some jurisdictions, schools may prohibit a valedictorian from using sectarian or proselytizing language during a graduation speech.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What he doesn't have the "right" to do is to change his speech at the last minute without getting approval, especially when inserting religious content.
    Let us know how your lawsuit turns out.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Let us know how your lawsuit turns out.
    Nothing of relevance to add? Not surprising Jerry.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    I wonder how people would feel if the kid wanted to recite the Devil's Prayer? Maybe he's a satanist?

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What he doesn't have the "right" to do is to change his speech at the last minute without getting approval, especially when inserting religious content.

    Hmm. It's interesting. You would think a boy with such intelligence would be able to figure these things out for himself.
    He should have that right. But I am going to change my position a little, after more consideration. He probably ought to be punished. He did break the rules and the law is quite clear that schools can control the speech of students to a degree. This is within that degree. If you don't enforce a rule, then it may as well not exist, and the rule does need to be there for the school not to be sanctioning religion. The trouble here is conflicting rights. It's a difficult conflict for me. I really don't approve of censorship. It violates the first amendment. But on the other hand, if the school endorses or allows religious speech to a captive audience, then it is propping up religion in violation of that same first amendment. It's an ugly catch-22 and I really just wish that religious people wouldn't do this kind of crap and put everyone in this position. If they want to mouth off about their faith, they should have the decency not to turn it into a power play like this. I suppose that really is what this was, a power play. And religion is not allowed to have power in this country.

    I guess you're right. **** that kid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The crowd cheered, though.
    As above. This boy demonstrated his desire to exercise power over the crowd with his religion. Those who agreed with his desire cheered. The minority who suddenly found themselves surrounded by people who were demonstrating that they wanted power over them were not cheering and were likely very uncomfortable. I have found myself in that situation many times. I'm sure that you, as a comfortable member of the majority, have not.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I wonder how people would feel if the kid wanted to recite the Devil's Prayer? Maybe he's a satanist?
    I'm sure the same people who are defending the kid would be very offended and would condemn him.
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Good grief! That is SO irrelevant.
    That no-one was offended debases any worry that it would offend.

    The only people who get offended at these things are paid 'victims' set up by Libetal law firms to try and bypass the legislature to change a law. No real person of sound mind and body is actualy ofended, only frauds and th e mentaly challenged.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nothing of relevance to add? Not surprising Jerry.
    So you admit that no one was or even could have been harmed by this, unlike yelling 'fire' in a theater.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So you admit that no one was or even could have been harmed by this, unlike yelling 'fire' in a theater.
    It's proselytizing at a public school-sponsored event. I think that most of us want to keep these kinds of theatrics out of the education setting.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That no-one was offended debases any worry that it would offend.

    The only people who get offended at these things are paid 'victims' set up by Libetal law firms to try and bypass the legislature to change a law. No real person of sound mind and body is actualy ofended, only frauds and th e mentaly challenged.
    Lol! Just because some of crowd cheered does in no way mean no one was offended. It's in the news. Must have bothered somebody somewhere. Stop making me LOL.

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