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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    My point was the ruling cited was in reference and limited to a school curriculum which a graduation speech is not.
    I don't think that matters. It is counted as school still. If you are at any school sponsored events, the same rules apply as if you were in school. The parents of students also have to follow these rules, as do any visitors to the school or any guests at school sponsored public events. There are no exceptions. Sorry.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think that matters. It is counted as school still. If you are at any school sponsored events, the same rules apply as if you were in school. The parents of students also have to follow these rules, as do any visitors to the school or any guests at school sponsored public events. There are no exceptions. Sorry.
    That wasn't the ruling though. That is your opinion.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    That wasn't the ruling though. That is your opinion.
    Lol! No, that isn't my opinion. That is how it is. You still have to follow school rules when at school sponsored events. Nope, that is not an opinion. That is a fact. Now recognize it!

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Lol! No, that isn't my opinion. That is how it is. You still have to follow school rules when at school sponsored events. Nope, that is not an opinion. That is a fact. Now recognize it!
    We aren't discussing school rules. We are discussing whether or not the school should have disallowed the prayer portion of the speech to begin with. So I think we were talking about two different points.

    Is there a point to be made about following authority, yes, however, this was not the issue being discussed.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    We aren't discussing school rules. We are discussing whether or not the school should have disallowed the prayer portion of the speech to begin with. So I think we were talking about two different points.

    Is there a point to be made about following authority, yes, however, this was not the issue being discussed.
    We are discussing school rules. The kid broke school rules by not submitting his final speech for approval.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    We aren't discussing school rules. We are discussing whether or not the school should have disallowed the prayer portion of the speech to begin with. So I think we were talking about two different points.

    Is there a point to be made about following authority, yes, however, this was not the issue being discussed.
    You're just being unreasonable now. Do you remember being in school or at school sponsored events? Could you say whatever you wanted? No, you could not. Or least not without repercussions.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    We are discussing school rules. The kid broke school rules by not submitting his final speech for approval.
    You were discussing school rules, I, who started the thread, was discussing whether or not they should have censored.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    It was limited to pedagogical related censorship. That does not cover a graduation speech.
    100% wrong again

    nice dodge though, you have no integrity and can never admit when you are wrong

    t factually shows schools can limit speech are you denying this fact?
    it factually shows why federal government and schools are differetn, are you denying this fact?

    answer these question in the next post or it will simply further show how dishonest you are and little integrity you have.

    now on to your failed argument, it most definitely can cover a graduation speech lol

    pedagogical
    : of, relating to, or befitting a teacher or education

    focus on this statement "Supreme Court observed that "[a] school need not tolerate student speech that is inconsistent with 'its basic educational mission"
    religion can EASILY be deemed not in the educational misson

    sorry for you mistake

    would you like further proof about speech at school that are all related and further explain?

    another court case
    Main article: Bethel School District v. Fraser

    In Fraser, a high school student was disciplined following his speech to a school assembly at which he nominated a fellow student for a student elective office. The speech contained sexual innuendos, but not obscenity. The Supreme Court found that school officials could discipline the student. In doing so, it recognized that "[t]he process of educating our youth for citizenship in public schools is not confined to books, the curriculum, and the civics class; schools must teach by example the shared values of a civilized social order." Recognizing that one of the important purposes of public education is to inculcate the habits and manners of civility as valued conducive both to happiness and to the practice of self-government, the Supreme Court emphasized that: "Consciously or otherwise, teachers--and indeed the older students--demonstrate the appropriate form of civil discourse and political expression by their conduct and deportment in and out of class." [6] Under the Fraser standard, school officials look not merely to the reasonable risk of disruption—the Tinker standard—but would also balance the freedom of a student's speech rights against the school's interest in teaching students the boundaries of socially appropriate behavior. Schools have discretion to curtail not only obscene speech, but speech that is vulgar, lewd, indecent or plainly offensive.
    again it most certainly can
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think that matters. It is counted as school still. If you are at any school sponsored events, the same rules apply as if you were in school. The parents of students also have to follow these rules, as do any visitors to the school or any guests at school sponsored public events. There are no exceptions. Sorry.
    yu are right it doesnt matter and his OPINION is wrong anyway has i already proved.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You were discussing school rules, I, who started the thread, was discussing whether or not they should have censored.
    Why? Was he censored?

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