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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Free Speech so long as it isn't advocating an illegal behavior or its purpose to incite hate, or cause turmoil, is universal, doesn't matter where you are.
    Prayer doesn't fall under any of these exemptions.

    Don't like prayer? Do like the majority of people do. Day dream.
    first... I .am not against prayer.

    but you as a citizen, don't have rights to use schools any way you feel.

    I am not against students, getting together and praying, however I am against people taking things into there own hands, over the objections of other people.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Answer the easy question of "who in the heck was harmed whatsoever?"
    no one.....but people don't have to listen to prayer if they don't want too, I am not against prayer, I pray myself, but today, other people don't want to hear it they should not have to if they are, at a assembly of many people, and its just sprung on them.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Seeing it doesn't make it right...
    its all about property rights with me...AP

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Yeah, there is, it's right there in the first amendment. You know that part about how "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". That's the separation of church and state part. I can see how it might be confusing, since it isn't written "separation of church and state", but they've come to mean the same thing.
    As I have said before, the Constitution separation of church and state would not prohibit what happened at this event. The Constitution only says there can be no law made to establish a national religion.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    As I have said before, the Constitution separation of church and state would not prohibit what happened at this event. The Constitution only says there can be no law made to establish a national religion.
    Bingo. SCOTUS has made clear that such speech in such a setting is protected under the Constitution.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It was a captive audience because people were there to see their child/relative graduate and not to see or hear an impromptu sermon. A "captive" audience doesn't actually mean that the audience is being held against their will you know.
    Ok, then why does nobody cry foul when people gather at a Presidential Inauguration? They are there to see the new President, yet, they hear all sorts of things about God, the Bible, and prayer.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No it doesn't. People always have their individual rights....especially the right to pray as Jesus preferred....in silent....not like the hypocrites that like to pray in public so that others can see them and they can pretend to be all holy and righteous.....this idiot is a perfect example of the people that Christ spoke out against.
    Christ did not say do not pray aloud, he said to not do it like the Pharisees, there is a HUGE difference.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Bingo. SCOTUS has made clear that such speech in such a setting is protected under the Constitution.
    Exactly
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no one.....but people don't have to listen to prayer if they don't want too, I am not against prayer, I pray myself, but today, other people don't want to hear it they should not have to if they are, at a assembly of many people, and its just sprung on them.
    And like I said, they can either ignore or plug their ears if necessary. It's not like anyone was forced to say it along with the speaker.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    first... I .am not against prayer.

    but you as a citizen, don't have rights to use schools any way you feel.

    I am not against students, getting together and praying, however I am against people taking things into there own hands, over the objections of other people.
    So if someone objects, I should not do what is my right? Rights are only based on public opinion now?

    The speech is a moment for the individual who through his own achievement is recognized for his or her hard work, and is given time to be recognized and express themselves to their class and the community. I personally find a greater offense that we are teaching our kids, as a last lesson that you may only express yourself so long as what you are expressing passes muster and gets approval by some "authority"

    Free speech, but watch what you say.

    The kid wasn't using schools anyway he feels, he was given a moment, he used that moment the way he saw fit. Glory be damned.

    I say good for him, and if I met him I'd shake his hand and be proud to call him countryman.

    I'd also leave him with a parting quote that I would hope he took to heart, one that I did long ago and have never regretted.

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