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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The cases you cite are irrelevant to the matter under discussion. You lost.
    awww thats cute you actually thought this lie would work didnt you, nobody is falling for it LMAO

    sorry the discussion is about you saying my statement was not true and that being false, you lose again

    heres my statement:
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    The school has every right to censor, limit or not allow any speech that is given as a privileged to anybody at a school function.
    now with that said people can debate thier opinions all they want about whether the kid did a good thing, bad thing etc but the facts wont change.
    heres you saying im wrong:

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    Sorry, but you have it wrong.
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    , your claim has been definitively quashed by the SCOTUS. You were wrong

    Here Soctus proving you wrong and me right

    Main article: Bethel School District v. Fraser

    In Fraser, a high school student was disciplined following his speech to a school assembly at which he nominated a fellow student for a student elective office. The speech contained sexual innuendos, but not obscenity. The Supreme Court found that school officials could discipline the student. In doing so, it recognized that "[t]he process of educating our youth for citizenship in public schools is not confined to books, the curriculum, and the civics class; schools must teach by example the shared values of a civilized social order." Recognizing that one of the important purposes of public education is to inculcate the habits and manners of civility as valued conducive both to happiness and to the practice of self-government, the Supreme Court emphasized that: "Consciously or otherwise, teachers--and indeed the older students--demonstrate the appropriate form of civil discourse and political expression by their conduct and deportment in and out of class." [6] Under the Fraser standard, school officials look not merely to the reasonable risk of disruption—the Tinker standard—but would also balance the freedom of a student's speech rights against the school's interest in teaching students the boundaries of socially appropriate behavior. Schools have discretion to curtail not only obscene speech, but speech that is vulgar, lewd, indecent or plainly offensive.
    Main article: Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier

    The Hazelwood School District case applies the principles set forth in Fraser to curricular matters. In Hazelwood, the Supreme Court upheld a school's decision to censor certain articles in the school newspaper which was produced as part of the school's journalism curriculum. Echoing Fraser, the Supreme Court observed that "[a] school need not tolerate student speech that is inconsistent with 'its basic educational mission' ... even though the government could not censor similar speech outside the school." School authorities and educators do not offend the First Amendment by exercising editorial control over the style and content of student speech in school-sponsored expressive activities so long as their actions are reasonably related to legitimate pedagogical concerns.[7]
    my statement was 100% true
    facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.

    tell me that cool line about losing again?
    sorry you lost, your argument was destroyed lol
    my statement was 100% true

    like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    awww thats cute you actually thought this lie would work didnt you, nobody is falling for it LMAO

    sorry the discussion is about you saying my statement was not true and that being false, you lose again

    heres my statement:


    heres you saying im wrong:















    Here Soctus proving you wrong and me right





    my statement was 100% true
    facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.

    tell me that cool line about losing again?
    sorry you lost, your argument was destroyed lol
    my statement was 100% true

    like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
    Your citations are irrelevant. You lost.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I will continue to post it because they are a captive audience, they had NO CLUE what was going to happen with this speech. A school sponsored speaker went out of his way to promote his religion over others.
    The school didn't know he was going to do that.

    There's no obligation for privat persons to give all religions equal time.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Your citations are irrelevant. You lost.
    awww thats cute you actually thought this lie would work didnt you, nobody is falling for it LMAO

    sorry the discussion is about you saying my statement was not true and that being false, you lose again

    heres my statement:
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    The school has every right to censor, limit or not allow any speech that is given as a privileged to anybody at a school function.
    now with that said people can debate thier opinions all they want about whether the kid did a good thing, bad thing etc but the facts wont change.
    heres you saying im wrong:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but you have it wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    , your claim has been definitively quashed by the SCOTUS. You were wrong

    Here Soctus proving you wrong and me right

    Main article: Bethel School District v. Fraser

    In Fraser, a high school student was disciplined following his speech to a school assembly at which he nominated a fellow student for a student elective office. The speech contained sexual innuendos, but not obscenity. The Supreme Court found that school officials could discipline the student. In doing so, it recognized that "[t]he process of educating our youth for citizenship in public schools is not confined to books, the curriculum, and the civics class; schools must teach by example the shared values of a civilized social order." Recognizing that one of the important purposes of public education is to inculcate the habits and manners of civility as valued conducive both to happiness and to the practice of self-government, the Supreme Court emphasized that: "Consciously or otherwise, teachers--and indeed the older students--demonstrate the appropriate form of civil discourse and political expression by their conduct and deportment in and out of class." [6] Under the Fraser standard, school officials look not merely to the reasonable risk of disruption—the Tinker standard—but would also balance the freedom of a student's speech rights against the school's interest in teaching students the boundaries of socially appropriate behavior. Schools have discretion to curtail not only obscene speech, but speech that is vulgar, lewd, indecent or plainly offensive.
    Main article: Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier

    The Hazelwood School District case applies the principles set forth in Fraser to curricular matters. In Hazelwood, the Supreme Court upheld a school's decision to censor certain articles in the school newspaper which was produced as part of the school's journalism curriculum. Echoing Fraser, the Supreme Court observed that "[a] school need not tolerate student speech that is inconsistent with 'its basic educational mission' ... even though the government could not censor similar speech outside the school." School authorities and educators do not offend the First Amendment by exercising editorial control over the style and content of student speech in school-sponsored expressive activities so long as their actions are reasonably related to legitimate pedagogical concerns.[7]
    my statement was 100% true
    facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.

    tell me that cool line about losing again?
    sorry you lost, your argument was destroyed lol
    my statement was 100% true

    like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    You lost.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The school didn't know he was going to do that.

    There's no obligation for privat persons to give all religions equal time.
    Good evening, Jerry.

    How many of us have had to sit and listen to a speaker say things we don't agree with? Why does religion always bring this frantic response? Whatever happened to tolerance? My mom would say "he's not talking to you, so stop taking it personally!" Sheesh.... :

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You lost.
    awww thats cute you actually thought this lie would work didnt you, nobody is falling for it LMAO

    sorry the discussion is about you saying my statement was not true and that being false, you lose again

    heres my statement:
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    The school has every right to censor, limit or not allow any speech that is given as a privileged to anybody at a school function.
    now with that said people can debate thier opinions all they want about whether the kid did a good thing, bad thing etc but the facts wont change.
    heres you saying im wrong:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but you have it wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    , your claim has been definitively quashed by the SCOTUS. You were wrong

    Here Soctus proving you wrong and me right

    Main article: Bethel School District v. Fraser

    In Fraser, a high school student was disciplined following his speech to a school assembly at which he nominated a fellow student for a student elective office. The speech contained sexual innuendos, but not obscenity. The Supreme Court found that school officials could discipline the student. In doing so, it recognized that "[t]he process of educating our youth for citizenship in public schools is not confined to books, the curriculum, and the civics class; schools must teach by example the shared values of a civilized social order." Recognizing that one of the important purposes of public education is to inculcate the habits and manners of civility as valued conducive both to happiness and to the practice of self-government, the Supreme Court emphasized that: "Consciously or otherwise, teachers--and indeed the older students--demonstrate the appropriate form of civil discourse and political expression by their conduct and deportment in and out of class." [6] Under the Fraser standard, school officials look not merely to the reasonable risk of disruption—the Tinker standard—but would also balance the freedom of a student's speech rights against the school's interest in teaching students the boundaries of socially appropriate behavior. Schools have discretion to curtail not only obscene speech, but speech that is vulgar, lewd, indecent or plainly offensive.
    Main article: Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier

    The Hazelwood School District case applies the principles set forth in Fraser to curricular matters. In Hazelwood, the Supreme Court upheld a school's decision to censor certain articles in the school newspaper which was produced as part of the school's journalism curriculum. Echoing Fraser, the Supreme Court observed that "[a] school need not tolerate student speech that is inconsistent with 'its basic educational mission' ... even though the government could not censor similar speech outside the school." School authorities and educators do not offend the First Amendment by exercising editorial control over the style and content of student speech in school-sponsored expressive activities so long as their actions are reasonably related to legitimate pedagogical concerns.[7]
    my statement was 100% true
    facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.

    tell me that cool line about losing again?
    sorry you lost, your argument was destroyed lol
    my statement was 100% true

    like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    The Jefferson Letter: Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin was upholding that there will be no established national religion, and that nobodoy will inhibit the free excercise of religion. The laws today go well beyond that, and slash people of thier rights.
    No it doesn't. People always have their individual rights....especially the right to pray as Jesus preferred....in silent....not like the hypocrites that like to pray in public so that others can see them and they can pretend to be all holy and righteous.....this idiot is a perfect example of the people that Christ spoke out against.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    I will put it simply this way ...when your on property that is not yours, business, state, federal, local......you don't have exercisable rights to do as you wish.

    you have privileges, and they can be denied, or expanded on by those entities, depending on your behavior.

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