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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You do know that Constitutionally there is no such thing as Separation of Church and State right?
    Yeah, there is, it's right there in the first amendment. You know that part about how "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". That's the separation of church and state part. I can see how it might be confusing, since it isn't written "separation of church and state", but they've come to mean the same thing.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Once in a great while the true feelings and beliefs of the American people slip by, slip out of the all encompassing suppressive cloak of Liberal political correctness and when this happens, the Liberals become hysterical. It frightens them to have any reminder, even the slightest, that their fantasy world in which they have prevailed over all of people they hate so much is not the actual world and they have actually not prevailed over anything at all.
    It was only last year that a young lady had her diploma held up due to the offense of using the word "hell" rather than "heck" (as written in the speech)-offending those who were disproportionately conservative in either political views or in public decorum. The only thing that is predictable here is that liberals and conservatives stick up for those who are more aligned to them, ranting against the school for its heavy-handedness, all the while missing the point entirely about how these functions operate.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Separation from church and state, the valedictorian is in the wrong. Simple as that.
    He wasn't a church. He was an individual.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    And? You claimed there's no limits on Freedom of Speech. That is false.
    It's absurdly false. You cannot yell FIRE! in a crowded theater, you cannot give away state secrets to the enemy, you cannot slander someone publically, there are all kinds of limitations to freedom of speech. Anyone who says otherwise has a screw loose.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's absurdly false. You cannot yell FIRE! in a crowded theater, you cannot give away state secrets to the enemy, you cannot slander someone publically, there are all kinds of limitations to freedom of speech. Anyone who says otherwise has a screw loose.
    You're yelling at the wrong poster. That's exactly my point to David Taylor who claimed there is no limits on Freedom of Speech....NOT ME!

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    You're yelling at the wrong poster. That's exactly my point to David Taylor who claimed there is no limits on Freedom of Speech....NOT ME!
    i think he was just agreeing with you but i could be wrong
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    You're yelling at the wrong poster. That's exactly my point to David Taylor who claimed there is no limits on Freedom of Speech....NOT ME!
    I was agreeing with you and adding more details. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's absurdly false. You cannot yell FIRE! in a crowded theater, you cannot give away state secrets to the enemy, you cannot slander someone publically, there are all kinds of limitations to freedom of speech. Anyone who says otherwise has a screw loose.
    As with all rights, the limitation is that you cannot infringe upon the rights of others in the exercise of your own. Though some dumbass kid reciting a prayer infringes upon no one's rights.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I was agreeing with you and adding more details. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
    Goovy, Dude...groovy. Yes, it's absurd to believe that there is such thing as unlimited freedom of speech...and the points you made in describing where there are consequences and even severe consequences in some cases...I thought to be common knowledge, but apparently Mr. Taylor missed that part in civics class.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    thats what I thought another lie and another dodge
    the amount of egg on your face is halarious

    my statement was 100% true
    facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
    like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
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