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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I want this nation to be the est it can be. Part of that includes self criticism.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    What country and flag is your loyalty to, Winston?
    The US where conservative or liberal all are American people endowed with equal rights.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    I am not to familiar with the story, but I don't think there is anything wrong with the student saying what he wants. He was the top student in his class, and for a few minutes he got to hold the students and their families as a captive audience. I am not religious, and I am an agnostic, but I have zero problem with the student saying whatever he wanted to say. He was the top student, he got his 15 minutes of fame, and it's okay with me.

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    Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    False. He is free to say anything he wants and express any view he wants when not speaking at a state sponsored event. Free speech does not mean that you can say anything, any where, at any time.
    Is he an employee of the government?
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not calling him a brave hero. What I'm saying is that this isn't as big a deal as people seem to want to make it.
    Actually, I agree. I just strongly disagree with those who say this is a free speech issue.

    I don't have a problem with this so long as equal treatment is given to all opinions.
    Except there was no equal treatment involved here. The valedictorian has special treatment. A special position that no one else can share.

    Now the gross spying and databasing our government is doing against us, THAT'S something to get all riled up over.
    No argument here.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Last I checked all 50 states were important.
    That's nonsense. You state is important to the union in the same way Rhode Island is important. If you were to leave the country, very little would change.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Then plug your damn ears! This student earned the privilege of speaking about their success. Mentioning of God or religion motivating them doesn't flip the switch on your religion, thus you still have the freedom of religion. It's not freedom from religion. Got it?
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    The right to engage in voluntary prayer does not include the right to have a captive audience for that prayer or to compel other students to participate.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    HEARING another person pray or speak about religion is "imposing their religious views" upon people?
    I've posted this about 15 times already but apparently nobody understands it so I will post it again.

    Supreme Court Ruling:

    The right to engage in voluntary prayer does not include the right to have a captive audience for that prayer or to compel other students to participate.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    He is not only representing himself, he is representing his school and graduating class.
    While on the job, sure. While sitting at home in his underwear posting online under a pseudonym, no.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Then you have proven my point. Since the administration did not have to give the valedictorian the podium his position was that of privilege, not a right.
    They didn't have to, but they did. The valedictorian used that forum that was offered to them to make a speech that you don't like. Don't want it to happen again, don't offer the opportunity again.
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