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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do know that legally there is, right? While that phrase is not in the constitution, it is widely agreed that the first amendment does require a level of separation.
    Not to the extent people take and abuse it.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Not to the extent people take and abuse it.
    Which does nothing to change the fact that your comments where misleading at best. A level of separation of church and state, that the state cannot and should not support, promote or favor any religion, is inherant in the first amendment. This concept is referred to as "separation of church and state". It is kinda important.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Which does nothing to change the fact that your comments where misleading at best. A level of separation of church and state, that the state cannot and should not support, promote or favor any religion, is inherant in the first amendment. This concept is referred to as "separation of church and state". It is kinda important.
    Actually, if you want to get technical the Constition separates State from Establishing a Denomination. It does not prohibit churches from being politially active. So a total separation of church and state is incorrect.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Actually, if you want to get technical the Constition separates State from Establishing a Denomination. It does not prohibit churches from being politially active. So a total separation of church and state is incorrect.
    Which again does not hcange anything I just said, nor does it change the fact that what is referred to as "separation of church and state" does exist and is an important constitutional concept. Further, the constitution does not say "denomination", it says "religion".
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Which again does not hcange anything I just said, nor does it change the fact that what is referred to as "separation of church and state" does exist and is an important constitutional concept. Further, the constitution does not say "denomination", it says "religion".
    Fine religion. And the constitutional concept has left the original intent has it not? Based on letters from the authors themselves and what we have today?
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Fine religion. And the constitutional concept has left the original intent has it not? Based on letters from the authors themselves and what we have today?
    Letters from the authors are not in the constitution. What we have is the arrived upon wording that the people passed. That is what we have to work with. From there we go to Supreme Court interpretation, which has the same force.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Letters from the authors are not in the constitution. What we have is the arrived upon wording that the people passed. That is what we have to work with. From there we go to Supreme Court interpretation, which has the same force.
    And their job is to interpret author intent. The letters would come into play there. People seem to ignore that.
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    Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer

    Was this kid a member of the government? An elected official? Making a statement on behalf of the United States/State/local government? No? Well then it was his right. Suck it up.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I strongly support the separation of Church & State, but I also am zealous in my defense of freedom of speech. This was an individual who was selected to give a speech to his peers. I'm not a fan of school reviewed and approved speech, if they did not want this individual giving the graduation speech that is one thing, but once you pick him then you accept that his right to speak freely does not stop when he crosses the school doors.

    Also the article does not seem to say that what he did was banned: "Prayer in Pickens County has been highly debated this spring after the school board adopted a new policy that allows non-student led, non-sectarian prayer at meetings."
    A speech that is given to a variety of religious views should not single out one view. The prayer should have been omitted.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    A speech that is given to a variety of religious views should not single out one view. The prayer should have been omitted.
    That would be limiting free speech.
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