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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, technically no...

    The opposite of "Seperation of Church and State" in the way so many interprit it...IE that ANYTHING religious can't interact with ANYTHING government....would be "Comingling of Church and State". It would be having muslim and buddhist and Christian and Jewish events and prayers and statements being able to be in various parts of government.

    Allowing the schools to have a "Islamic Club", a "Catholic Club", a "Mormon Club", and a "Buddhist Club" and giving them time during the day where they could have a club activity of prayer or scripture study or meditation time would not be "establishing a state religion" becuase there is no specific Religion the state is singularly endorsing, enforcing upon people, mandating or implimenting through law, etc. But it would violate the notion of "Seperation of Church and State" that so many people have because it'd be letting people use state property/time to engage in their personal religious activities.
    Those notions of separation are wrong.

    If the school said that he had to insert the prayer, or if all those in attendance were forced to say it, that would be wrong.


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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Separation of Church and State was in a letter from Jefferson, not the Constution. Fact.
    LOL....have you read the Constitution? The concept of separating Church/State is clearly there for those who wish to educate themselves.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    1.)It's not off-topic, it's is freedom of speech being squelched. 2.)By the way, a valedictorian has nothing to do with Separation of Church and State or the Establishment Clause.
    1.) which has nothing to do with whats going on here nor does it change the facts


    separation from church and state is indeed established in the constitution and has been ruled that way.
    also the school does have the right to limit, monitor, censor and not allow speech at school and school functions.

    2.)and by the way, your last statement ( i bolded it) is just your opinion at best, if this went to court that may very well come up and be exactly why they rule in favor of the school just like it has in the past, would you like court cases/links?
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....have you read the Constitution? The concept of separating Church/State is clearly there for those who wish to educate themselves.
    The Jefferson Letter: Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin was upholding that there will be no established national religion, and that nobodoy will inhibit the free excercise of religion. The laws today go well beyond that, and slash people of thier rights.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    The Jefferson Letter: Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin was upholding that there will be no established national religion, and that nobodoy will inhibit the free excercise of religion. The laws today go well beyond that, and slash people of thier rights.
    you do understand you post had ZERO impact on what he said right, his post is still accurate and you changed nothing.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    you do understand you post had ZERO impact on what he said right, his post is still accurate and you changed nothing.
    Is your only goal here to mock others? If so, I don't have anything futher to discuss with you.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    40+ pages on some hillbilly in SC doing a prayer. Call me when SC becomes an important state in the union. This is a state that didn't even acknowledge women as voters until the 60s. Give them time. Eventually, they'll join the rest of the world.
    SC is important. I seriously think that every country and every person needs some comedy, and SC always provides that.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    40+ pages on some hillbilly in SC doing a prayer. Call me when SC becomes an important state in the union. This is a state that didn't even acknowledge women as voters until the 60s. Give them time. Eventually, they'll join the rest of the world.
    And so what determines the importance of a state? Your statement is absurd and uncalled for.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    He isn't there representing the public institution, is he? He is there representing himself and probably his classmates.
    Yes, he is underneath their authority but he isn't part of the system. It's like, you are under the authority of the police, because you have to do what the police tells you, but you are a private citizen.

    So yeah. He can say whatever you want and there is no fault in his speech from this POV.
    As an invited speaker, yes he is to an extent.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You do know that Constitutionally there is no such thing as Separation of Church and State right?
    You do know that legally there is, right? While that phrase is not in the constitution, it is widely agreed that the first amendment does require a level of separation.
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