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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Freedom of speech is not the right to be heard. This was a captured audience, not the same as some person standing on a soap box on a public street corner saying a prayer out loud.

    I can bet you a bunch that not all in that auditorium held the same religious or spiritual beliefs.

    Had the prayer been in Hebrew or in Arabic...there would be an explosion of objections ring out across the country.
    Nobody was required to be there, they were there by choice.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Put me in the "who ****ing cares" camp. Don't we have more important things to worry about than this?

    Students leading a prayer in front of a student assembly at a school function is a grey area between separation of church and state and freedom of speech. I honestly don't know whether it's right or wrong or what. And I don't really care, because it doesn't really matter. If the school wants to ban it, that's okay. If the school wants to allow it, I'm fine with that. How about we all grow up a little and quit being such whiners about the religion crap. Just because a school doesn't want a kid to say a prayer at graduation doesn't mean they're oppressing your religion or anything, they're just covering their asses. And just because someone does say a prayer at a school function once doesn't mean you need to lose your **** and start wailing about how America is becoming a theocracy.
    You do know that Constitutionally there is no such thing as Separation of Church and State right?
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    We do NOT have unlimited freedom of speech.
    To cite the Constitution when they are so vague about things , makes no sense...
    What we do need is respect and civility, two more things not in the Constitution...
    And how does the Constitution limit this speech? It doesn't.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There is always someone in the audience who objects to or just doesn't like something a commencement speaker says. Most of us take it in stride precisely because we are there to see someone we care about graduate.
    I don't disagree. But the fact that there are a other selfish douches out there does nothing to negate the selfish douche-ness of this particular action.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    And how does the Constitution limit this speech? It doesn't.
    Ding, ding, ding - just ask Westboro Baptist Church.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Its a free country sure. But is anyone free to use the school podium to give a speech? No. This is not a free speech issue. The child was dishonest about the contents of his speech and should not be commended as some 'brave hero.'
    I'm not calling him a brave hero. What I'm saying is that this isn't as big a deal as people seem to want to make it. The school will take no action and we'll all move on. I don't think he's brave or anything like that, it doesn't take bravery to come out as a Christian in this country. However, this is also not a deal. Some smarmy kid thinking he's sticking it to the man by reciting a prayer and a bunch of circus seals in the audience clapping along. That's it. I don't have a problem with this so long as equal treatment is given to all opinions.

    It's nothing to get excited about. Now the gross spying and databasing our government is doing against us, THAT'S something to get all riled up over.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    And how does the Constitution limit this speech? It doesn't. The courts limit free speech.
    Well, we can have either unlimited free speech and unlimited tolerance....or a balance of both...probably impossible, particularly today.
    And we should lead our lives based on much more than the Constitution...

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Well, we can have either unlimited free speech and unlimited tolerance....or a balance of both...probably impossible, particularly today.
    And we should lead our lives based on much more than the Constitution...
    First of all you edited my quote. Second, we should live our freedoms on more than the Constitution? It is the basis for our freedoms. If you don't like it, change it, through ammendments.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You do know that Constitutionally there is no such thing as Separation of Church and State right?
    please tell me what you are trying to say here because separation of church and state is in fact established by the constitution.

    also the school does have the right to limit, monitor, censor and not allow speech at school and school functions
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    please tell me what you are trying to say here because separation of church and state is in fact established by the constitution.

    also the school does have the right to limit, monitor, censor and not allow speech at school and school functions
    Separation of Church and State was in a letter from Jefferson, not the Constution. Fact.
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