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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    CCD? What's that stand for?

    I'm not denying that the school has it's rules.
    It's like Catholic religious school.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Who knows, maybe if he hadn't of tried to be sneaky about it, the school would've allowed him to say the prayer. We're not even sure if the prayer was the issue. I think the REAL issue is that he submitted a speech that was approved and then made a different speech at the ceremony.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    One has to ask oneself: Is the recent shtik they are on, I mean, the Christians whining about the horribleness of their victim "reality" , not the biggest joke in the history of mankind ?.........................
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    I started another thread on this subject, but the actions of the Alabama school board could be seen as religious discrimination against Native American beliefs. As Boo noted, Christians whining about persecution too often fail to see the timber in their own eyes.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, he doesn't. He's at a public function organized and controlled by the school. He is underneath their authority. He doesn't get to say whatever he wants.
    He isn't there representing the public institution, is he? He is there representing himself and probably his classmates.
    Yes, he is underneath their authority but he isn't part of the system. It's like, you are under the authority of the police, because you have to do what the police tells you, but you are a private citizen.

    So yeah. He can say whatever you want and there is no fault in his speech from this POV.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    He isn't there representing the public institution, is he? He is there representing himself and probably his classmates.
    Yes, he is underneath their authority but he isn't part of the system. It's like, you are under the authority of the police, because you have to do what the police tells you, but you are a private citizen.

    So yeah. He can say whatever you want and there is no fault in his speech from this POV.
    It doesn't really work that way. The school is sponsoring the event and endorsing the student in question who is expected to give an address. A student's remarks are typically vetted, and serious deviations from the expected statement may come with consequences, which can range from cutting off the speech, or even holding up receiving the diploma. I err on suggesting that they cut off the speech at the most. I would not support holding up a student's diploma for something of this nature unless it was something incredibly egregious.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    He earned position or right.
    As I stated before, rights are inherent, not earned. If you want to claim he earned the privilege, well he earned the privilege to speak to the rest of the graduating class, but it was clear he did not have the right or privilege to say ANYTHING he wanted.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Happens with all the schools in the district I attended and the districts I've taught in. Even little Georgetown, where you can stand on one town boundry line and spit, hitting the opposite line. The students there had a combined graduation ceremony with the town over, held at the grange.
    Well its the first that I've heard it happening so it can't be all that widespread.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Who the hell decided religion should be kept out of schools?
    No one decided that. Religion is taught in the World History class at my public school.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because it's a free country and we should be free. Free ain't simple, it ain't safe, it ain't easy; but it's better than the alternative.
    Its a free country sure. But is anyone free to use the school podium to give a speech? No. This is not a free speech issue. The child was dishonest about the contents of his speech and should not be commended as some 'brave hero.'
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