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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    exactly what i thought, you dodge it AGAIN

    sorry facts disagree with you and proof you wrong
    like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
    The proof has already been established. There is no need to restate it. You lost.QED
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    There are limitations to this as well.
    Not from the state there aren't.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    And you are confusing rights with privileges. Of course he has a right to speak his mind just about anywhere else. But he was not in a classroom, on the street, etc. He was given the privileged position of giving a speech to his graduating class. No one else had that opportunity which makes it a privilege.
    Rights override privileges most of the time. Don't like what he said, don't have him do it again. Oh wait, he's not going to...
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The proof has already been established. There is no need to restate it. You lost.QED
    thats what I thought another lie and another dodge
    the amount of egg on your face is halarious

    my statement was 100% true
    facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
    like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Separation from church and state, the valedictorian is in the wrong. Simple as that.
    I actually don't think that's true. The valedictorian doesn't work for the school and isn't part of the state. Therefore, is free to pray anytime he or she wants. The school simply can lead one or have a policy of prayer. And I think that is proper for them to not to have.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Not from the state there aren't.
    Educators are put into a murky position where their political and/or social views aired in public can be interpreted as impacting their teaching ability. It's not out of the ordinary for public comments on a controversial subject by an educator to be met with punishment or investigation. Related to this is being seen with alcoholic beverages and so forth online. The public profile of an educator is fragile and needs to be upheld by the public. Of course, the ACLU stresses that it has to demonstrate an impact on the job, but this merely demonstrates that this is more vulnerable than many other careers.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Of course not. You're free to send your child to CCD, Sunday School or even to a private religious school of your choosing. Funny thing is, they have rules too.
    CCD? What's that stand for?

    I'm not denying that the school has it's rules.
    I believe half of the things I say and say half of the things I believe.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I actually don't think that's true. The valedictorian doesn't work for the school and isn't part of the state. Therefore, is free to pray anytime he or she wants. The school simply can lead one or have a policy of prayer. And I think that is proper for them to not to have.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    1st Ammendment rights are often overlooked for Christians. Try to put it the other way around and the liberals throw the book at you.
    Actually, I was thinking a similar thing. If he had been told to put a prayer in and refused, you wouldn't have as much to say about his freedom of speech.

    That said, I agree that he was free to do as he did.


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