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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You don't have the right to not hear the religion of someone else.
    actually you are wrong in some case you most certainly do

    as for the OP of course the school has a right its their function they can limit the speech and senor its content however they see fit.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Are you kidding me? This person is forcing people to listen to their religion.

    From the Justice Department:
    Technically he quoted an ancient text. Didn't know there was a law against that.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    actually you are wrong in some case you most certainly do

    as for the OP of course the school has a right its their function they can limit the speech and senor its content however they see fit.
    Against the 1st ammendment? I don't think so.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Against the 1st amendment? I don't think so.
    well you think wrong twice now, people do have the right not to be forced to listen to others pryer and the school most definitely has the right to limit and sensor the speech how they see fit or not allow him to speck at all, its their function on their property etc etc.

    if they shut off the mic and made him leave ZERO of his rights would have been violated.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well you think wrong twice now, people do have the right not to be forced to listen to others pryer and the school most definitely has the right to limit and sensor the speech how they see fit or not allow him to speck at all, its their function on their property etc etc.

    if they shut off the mic and made him leave ZERO of his rights would have been violated.
    Actually it is public property. He can say what he wants.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Technically he quoted an ancient text. Didn't know there was a law against that.
    As i said.

    The right to engage in voluntary prayer does not include the right to have a captive audience for that prayer or to compel other students to participate.
    It seems pretty black and white to me. Of course how dare we take away this individuals right to free speech? He's a white Christian male so his views MUST be more important than the rest of the school body's.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Ahhh the majority rules thing, sort of like Jim Crow laws or interracial marriage laws. Unfortunately for that line of reason the Constitution doesn't say one thing for one majority and another for a different crowd. there were plenty of other times for him to pray for his fellow students, he could have simply done the moment of silence... but no he wanted to say the word which is preaching. I know the Christians don't want to see it that way but it is.

    Don't confuse wanting our rights to be recognized with fearing Christianity. Christians just love to be the martyrs in these discussions. The Muslim thing is to smoke out the very confused rationalizations Christians go through to justify their insistence on religion in all events but not any other POV.

    There are plenty of personal parts a student can throw in without praying. Most students pray BEFORE they graduate.
    Umm. No it's absolutely not like the Jim Crow laws they discriminated against other people and led to inferior conditions for other people who most likely were actually the majority population in many areas (there were and still are large concentrations of african americans in the southern US that sometimes outnumber 'white' populations).

    Making a culturally appropriate speech is not discrimination now is it nor does it lead to inferior conditions for a large group of people

    The point here is that his prayer hurt no one, it's not against the laws of this nation to simply say a prayer out loud, the school was wrong for telling him not to do it. So good for him for standing against that overly sensitive political bull**** and doing it anyways.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    As i said.



    It seems pretty black and white to me. Of course how dare we take away this individuals right to free speech? He's a white Christian male so his views MUST be more important than the rest of the school body's.
    It was not offensive speech. If anyone thinks so apparently they are a little too sensitive and should practice the "tolerance" they so desperately want Christians to follow. In other words, Athiests need to get over themselves. Just listen to the speak, nod your head and move on if you don't like it. No one is forcing you to believe or agree to it.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    I think one needs to be very careful about chanting "freedom of speech".

    I personally don't have a problem with the kid reciting a religious passage. It's his time. He can use it as he wishes.

    However, suppose he started reciting something that was more connected with a harsher brand of Islam? Still religious, but more controversial?

    Suppose he went FLDS and into promoting polygamy?
    Suppose he was a devout follower of Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptists?

    There are guidelines set forward for a reason. A school, and a graduation from said school is nowhere near a platform for freedom of speech.

    If the school has regulations about what can be said and what can't, and that speeches must be pre-approved for large ceremonies, the kid must follow these rules.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Actually it is public property. He can say what he wants.
    nope its a school function and he can not

    you are wrong twice now, people do have the right not to be forced to listen to others pryer and the school most definitely has the right to limit and sensor the speech how they see fit or not allow him to speck at all, its their function on their property etc etc.

    if they shut off the mic and made him leave ZERO of his rights would have been violated.
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