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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    while i am agreeing with you here, will you please share as to why speech or actions can be banned.
    are you asking my my opinion or want to know why the laws says so? because you cant agree with me yet i havent posted my opinion.

    here is a link to many cases about it
    School speech (First Amendment) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    if you are asking my opinion well i agree with the cases basically, its like the yelling fire or threatening somebody.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Again for those who missed it:

    Are valedictorians and salutatorians permitted to make religious remarks as a part of their speeches?

    Yes, although such remarks must be “non-proselytizing” and “non-sectarian” in some jurisdictions.
    When a school selects a student to speak at graduation through neutral, even-handed criteria (e.g., valedictorians or salutatorians selected to speak due to their grade point averages), and the student is given primary control of the content of the speech, such expression should not be limited due to its religious content. One Guideline issued by the U.S. Department of Education in 2003 that directly deals with this issue is entitled “Prayer at Graduation.”

    School officials may not mandate or organize prayer at graduation or select speakers for such events in a manner that favors religious speech such as prayer. Where students or other private graduation speakers are selected on the basis of genuinely neutral, evenhanded criteria and retain primary control over the content of their expression, however, that expression is not attributable to the school and therefore may not be restricted because of its religious (or anti-religious) content. To avoid any mistaken perception that a school endorses student or other private speech that is not in fact attributable to the school, school officials may make appropriate, neutral disclaimers to clarify that such speech (whether religious or nonreligious) is the speaker’s and not the school’s.

    Id. (emphasis added). Thus, valedictorians and salutatorians should be able to include religious content in their speeches, at least where they “retain primary control over the content of their expression,” because they are selected on the basis of neutral criteria.

    The key question regarding speeches provided by valedictorians and salutatorians at graduations is whether such expression would be viewed as bearing the approval of the school and, if so, whether regulations of such expression are required to be viewpoint neutral.1 In the absence of a controlling opinion on these issues in a particular jurisdiction, graduation speeches by valedictorians and salutatorians should be reasonably understood as the student’s own expression rather than speech controlled or sponsored by the school. A reasonable person in attendance at a graduation ceremony understands that valedictorians and salutatorians are selected due to academic criteria and their remarks typically reflect their own views. Valedictorians and salutatorians should be able to share how their faith has impacted their lives without fear of censorship by school officials.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    No, I would not be offended. They are stating what they believe. If they're using their religion in a positive manner then all the power to them. Motivation for academic achievement is positive, regardless of which religion it came from.
    Well you don't speak for everybody. There have been PLENTY of cases of lawsuits against schools about various things. The schools HAVE to remain neutral in matters like religion and politics.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Again for those who missed it:
    Is there a link?

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Schools should not have to deal with these kinds of things. Lawyers are EXPENSIVE. Yes, there are people who would sue the school over things like this. These are all rational things that the school has to think about protecting itself from. They want to keep it vanilla, and they should be able to expect people (especially their students) to honor that.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    And just for you, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech". Court rulings are irrelevant in this regard...
    Congress doesn't make those decisions. The locally elected school boards do I believe.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Is there a link?
    Link at original post #179

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well you don't speak for everybody. There have been PLENTY of cases of lawsuits against schools about various things. The schools HAVE to remain neutral in matters like religion and politics.
    Good for them! **** this culture of catering to wussies offended over stupid ****!
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Why should anyone feel compelled to follow an illegal directive?
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Positive to who? If you disagree with Christianity, then the Lords Prayer isn't going to be the part of the speech that kicks your ambition into overdrive to succeed in college.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    No, I would not be offended. They are stating what they believe. If they're using their religion in a positive manner then all the power to them. Motivation for academic achievement is positive, regardless of which religion it came from.

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