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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Exactly. People should not shove their religious beliefs and prayers down the throats of other people who are there to see a graduation and not a sermon.
    Doesn't that apply equally then to commencement speakers who talk about non-religious principles that some in the audience didn't sign up to hear (someone always objects)?

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Exactly. People should not shove their religious beliefs and prayers down the throats of other people who are there to see a graduation and not a sermon.
    I'm about as atheist as one can get, and I don't view this as "shoving their religious beliefs and prayers down the throats of other people". It was just some kid thinking he was hot stuff reciting a prayer. There's no problem here, so long as all other venues are equally kept open (as I have outlined before).
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yeah, well that's not your decision to make. I wouldn't want radical Islam being preached in schools either. It is a smart idea to keep religion out of public school.

    If you want your children exposed to religion in school, then send them to the private religious school of your choice.
    It wasn't school; it was a graduation ceremony. We don't let children wear long black robes and funny hats in school either. Our children are all grown up and we have eight grandchildren. All have attended a variety of public and private schools in the US and abroad. The lesson? They're quite stable and durable, and perfectly capable of making sound choices.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Hmmm. I was thinking of the theological conundrum of lying to avoid an immoral outcome or infliction of harm. Troubling since Augustine.
    Or how about lying about being a Christian to avoid sharing a sleeping bag with a lion ? Rumor has it there were millions of those type of liars....................

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I'm not saying "break rules". I'm saying "approve the kid's speech as long as it's reasonable." Any moron offended by the mentioning of God or prayer is as weak-minded as they come. Plug your ears and hum if it saves your fragile little brain.
    Well, this is simply your opinion and nothing more. The fact is the speech was pre-approved and then the boy changed the speech without getting permission and included the Lord's Prayer in his speech.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm about as atheist as one can get, and I don't view this as "shoving their religious beliefs and prayers down the throats of other people". It was just some kid thinking he was hot stuff reciting a prayer. There's no problem here, so long as all other venues are equally kept open (as I have outlined before).
    Why complicate things when you don't have to though? Just leave it ALL out of school. Then we can concentrate on what school is supposed to be about, getting an education to help you survive in the real dog-eat-dog world.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It wasn't school; it was a graduation ceremony. We don't let children wear long black robes and funny hats in school either. Our children are all grown up and we have eight grandchildren. All have attended a variety of public and private schools in the US and abroad. The lesson? They're quite stable and durable, and perfectly capable of making sound choices.
    It's a school sponsored event.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Or how about lying about being a Christian to avoid sharing a sleeping bag with a lion ? Rumor has it there were millions of those type of liars....................
    Given population estimates of that period, I doubt there were millions, but the incentive was certainly powerful.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Why complicate things when you don't have to though?
    Because it's a free country and we should be free. Free ain't simple, it ain't safe, it ain't easy; but it's better than the alternative.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, this is simply your opinion and nothing more. The fact is the speech was pre-approved and then the boy changed the speech without getting permission and included the Lord's Prayer in his speech.
    This may be the more basic question to consider, "Why should a valedictorian's commencement speech require approval?"
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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