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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Again, anyone could have left, instead, most cheered...
    It doesn't matter if they cheered or not. It's the principal of the thing. We don't need to have Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Pagans, whatever, preaching about their personal beliefs in the school setting. That is not what school is for. That is for Sunday School and CCD.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It has nothing to do with beliefs. It has to do with not having children unduly influenced by OTHER people's religious beliefs. Leave it OUT of the classroom and school functions. Simple really.
    HS Seniors are not children other than in the eyes of government...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    HS Seniors are not children other than in the eyes of government...
    Irrelevant.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Again, anyone could have left, instead, most cheered...
    Thank you, AP, for that poignant coverage from the Land of the Living Dead......................

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Irrelevant.
    Someone brought it into the discussion...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Freedom of religion my friend. The Valedictorian is imposing their religious views on people of may different religions, that is offensive to say the least especially to the parents of children who came to the ceremony that are of different religions. Not everybody is your religion, not everybody believes in God, not everybody needs to be subjected to your religion. Just because the Valedictorian is a certain religion doesn't mean everybody is, and they should respect the guests by refraining from mentioning religion. Freedom of speech only extends as long as it is not violating any other rights of individuals, and in this case it is.
    Then plug your damn ears! This student earned the privilege of speaking about their success. Mentioning of God or religion motivating them doesn't flip the switch on your religion, thus you still have the freedom of religion. It's not freedom from religion. Got it?
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Meh, do a search. Here's one indication. The districts I've taught in, the high schools don't have the space for all the students AND all the guests that wish to attend. Tickets for seating are sold and the students run car washes and such to pay for the venue.
    A few rare examples. There's a reason why this is considered "news." It is because it doesn't generally happen.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Then plug your damn ears! This student earned the privilege of speaking about their success. Mentioning of God or religion motivating them doesn't flip the switch on your religion, thus you still have the freedom of religion. It's not freedom from religion. Got it?
    No, they don't just get to say whatever they want. Their speeches are supposed to be pre-approved. This kid changed his speech without prior approval. Just like the little girl who got into trouble for saying "hell" in her speech. People have to learn to follow rules and to quit whining when they WILLFULLY break them.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, they don't just get to say whatever they want. Their speeches are supposed to be pre-approved. This kid changed his speech without prior approval. Just like the little girl who got into trouble for saying "hell" in her speech. People have to learn to follow rules and to quit whining when they WILLFULLY break them.
    I didn't notice him whining. In fact the school board stated there would be no action taken. Do you really want a nation in which everyone follows "the rules" as dictated?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry.....a lie is a lie is a lie....no matter how Christians try to spin it.

    Reminds me of the lies and deceitful campaign that was run by another Christian group, Mormons during prop 8. Lying in the name of god is still lying. Sorry.
    Don't take it from me (besides, I'm agnostic), but 2,000 years of Christian theology produces another answer.
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