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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    See post #217.
    There was no captive audience. Anyone could have left the room if it was found offensive (except the school administrators )...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Just leave the praying and the curse words OUT of speeches and there won't be a problem. I think people just do it for attention anyway. The valedictorian MUST be intelligent enough to realize that he was going to face some heat.
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    Sure its an issue. The kid lied. You can't claim to be a Christian and lie in the same breath...and yes...I am a Christian...but I am not "Christian".
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    A lie in resistance to illegitimate secular authority is not a problem in Christian theology.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Had the prayer been recited as the following all hell would have broken loose:



    أَبَانَا الذِي فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ،
    لِيُقَدَّسَ اسْمُكَ.
    لِيَأْتِ مَلَكُوتُكَ،
    لِتَكُنْ مَشِيئَتُكَ فِي الأَرْضِ كَمَا السَّمَاءِ.
    ارْزُقْنَا خُبْزَنَا كَفَافَ يَوْمِنَا،
    وَ اعْفُ عَنْ خَطَايَانَا،
    فَإِنَّنَا نَعْفُو عَمَّنْ يُخْطِئُونَ بِحَقِّنَا.
    لاَ تُعَرِّضْنَا لِلغِوَايَةِ،
    بَلْ نَجِّنَا مِنَ الشِّرِيرِ.
    فَلَكَ المَلَكُوتُ وَ الجَبَرُوتُ وَ المَجْدُ أَبَداً.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    There was no captive audience. Anyone could have left the room if it was found offensive (except the school administrators )...
    I think people attending a school sponsored event would be considered a captive audience in this situation.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Had the prayer been recited as the following all hell would have broken loose:



    أَبَانَا الذِي فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ،
    لِيُقَدَّسَ اسْمُكَ.
    لِيَأْتِ مَلَكُوتُكَ،
    لِتَكُنْ مَشِيئَتُكَ فِي الأَرْضِ كَمَا السَّمَاءِ.
    ارْزُقْنَا خُبْزَنَا كَفَافَ يَوْمِنَا،
    وَ اعْفُ عَنْ خَطَايَانَا،
    فَإِنَّنَا نَعْفُو عَمَّنْ يُخْطِئُونَ بِحَقِّنَا.
    لاَ تُعَرِّضْنَا لِلغِوَايَةِ،
    بَلْ نَجِّنَا مِنَ الشِّرِيرِ.
    فَلَكَ المَلَكُوتُ وَ الجَبَرُوتُ وَ المَجْدُ أَبَداً.
    Yes, the reason why it is important to keep religion and school separate.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    See post #217.
    Like anyone in this country has the attention span left to be considered a "captive audience".
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    "Here I stand. I can do no other." --Martin Luther
    A lie in resistance to illegitimate secular authority is not a problem in Christian theology.
    Sorry.....a lie is a lie is a lie....no matter how Christians try to spin it.

    Reminds me of the lies and deceitful campaign that was run by another Christian group, Mormons during prop 8. Lying in the name of god is still lying. Sorry.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think people attending a school sponsored event would be considered a captive audience in this situation.
    Again, anyone could have left, instead, most cheered...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    "Here I stand. I can do no other." --Martin Luther
    A lie in resistance to illegitimate secular authority is not a problem in Christian theology.
    It has nothing to do with beliefs. It has to do with not having children unduly influenced by OTHER people's religious beliefs. Leave it OUT of the classroom and school functions. Simple really.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    Nope. I didn't, the school made that rule they have every right to even though it was a stupid ill thought out decision. I'm just saying it's not so shocking for a christian in a christian majority culture to recite a run of the mill average christian prayer that doesn't hurt anyone. It makes perfect sense within the confines of that culture.

    I didn't deflect over the Muslim thing I actually engaged in your imaginary scenario even though it's not the issue here and all I or anyone else for that matter could provide is idle speculation, I think it would be less appropriate for a Muslim recitation of the Quran to be given in a highly christian culture as opposed to where I live which is sort of gathering place for multiple cultures and religion.

    He didn't have to say a prayer in his farewell address to his fellow classmates but he did, he did what he thought was right and stood up against a stupid and ridiculous decision made by the school to restrict his speech.

    I've never seen God spelled G-a-w-d, are you trying to be obnoxious there or is it just a way certain people spell it? I don't know I'm just asking mind you. Better to ask then assume one way or the other right?
    Not shocking but not allowed, and you move the goalpost by saying not shocking now. It was a majority culture and when asked if other religions as the issue is supposedly freedom of religion you take a powder and refuse to discuss any other religion. You seem to be of the mind only 'our GAWD' is possible in prayer and any attempt to show that as wrong you deflect as not under discussion...

    By your yardstick only what is dominant culture is appropriate. not what the Constitution says at all. If the HONOR student who is the one you claim has soooo much of his daily life involved with his faith then why not a Muslim or Hindu who feels the same way? Why do you think the 'Dominant' culture won't accept the Muslim reading or the Buddhist prayer? for that matter why is it dependent on the dominant culture to be acceptable?

    The current Christian feeling that all liberals are out to get them, fear them and want to eliminate the religion from the nation is where my comment on martyrdom comes from.

    Now just between us I don't see a prayer as 'right' on most any occasion but if this young man wanted to say a prayer he could have done so in a moment of silence coz i was taught GAWD hears us even if our lips don't move so a prayer said outloud isn't a matter of Faith but a SHOWING of Faith and that is a horse of a different color.

    Now if you had spent half as much of your youthful Sundays in the evangelical churches I have you would think the ONLY way to spell GAWD is GAWD as that was the ONLY way you would ever have heard it...

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