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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The school has control over the event, thus it is a school event. Just because it is voluntary does not change that.

    And if people are paying to have that celebration, they are not paying to listen to some self-righteous douchebag push his religious views upon all in attendance. I guarantee you that NOBODY was in attendance to pray or worship. None of them. Not even the proselyting valedictorian.
    It seems the valedictorian was and from the cheers so were a good portion of the audience. By that same note you could say the audience wasn't there to hear whatever twaddle is coming from the commencement speakers either.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Why do you assume I think something should be done to him? Do I think what he did was right? No. Do I think he should be punished/prosecuted? Of course not. The world is not as black and white as some of you conservatives like to make it out to be.
    What? He knowingly displayed his Christian beliefs at a school function. Imagine the oppression and severe mental strain suffered by the folks in the audience. Surely that warrants something?

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    The school has every right to moderate the content of the speeches given at their venue, despite pervasive, goofball interpretations of the First Amendment. To intentionally subvert the process set about by the school demonstrates both a lack of maturity and respect.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It seems the valedictorian was and from the cheers so were a good portion of the audience.
    No, he was there to celebrate his graduation. He decided to take that opportunity to act like a selfish douche.

    Who cares that some people cheered him on?

    If he said "**** Obama" he probably would have gotten cheers as well, that doesn't make it appropriate nor does it prevent his actions from being those of a selfish douche.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The school has every right to moderate the content of the speeches given at their venue, despite pervasive, goofball interpretations of the First Amendment. To intentionally subvert the process set about by the school demonstrates both a lack of maturity and respect.
    I've been to a lot of graduations and never one that didn't contain at least an element of that last.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I've been to a lot of graduations and never one that didn't contain at least an element of that last.
    Don't doubt it. One would expect slightly more from a Valedictorian though.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, he was there to celebrate his graduation. He decided to take that opportunity to act like a selfish douche.

    Who cares that some people cheered him on?

    If he said "**** Obama" he probably would have gotten cheers as well, that doesn't make it appropriate nor does it prevent his actions from being those of a selfish douche.
    There is always someone in the audience who objects to or just doesn't like something a commencement speaker says. Most of us take it in stride precisely because we are there to see someone we care about graduate.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    The same from a different group. The point is that neither a Muslim prayer or a Christian prayer or any other religious prayer is offensive.
    Your are commended for your acceptance of the beliefs of others. Many people are unfortunately not as tolerant as you are, especially in the South. If most of the prayers at public school functions in South Carolina were non-Christian prayers I suspect the local public would be up in arms, and often. I think you know that to be true as well.

    The truth is it is not up to you nor to me to decide what religious prayers are or are not offensive for people of various religions. We don't really know. I have a few friends who are Sikhs and I know a little about their faith, but can I tell you what they might find offensive in an impromptu Christian public school commencement address? I cannot.

    I will tell you that at one of my children's public school graduation the commencement speaker, who many of us discovered after the fact, was a local evangelical minister. He began congratulating all the students and their parents and in the middle of his address he began talking about drinking and partying and sin and how it would offend God for those graduating to drink and party be tempted "of the flesh". At that point, I was uncomfortable as I could be. There wasn't much anyone could do about it at that point. But the preacher wasn't finished. He began talking about alcoholism being a sin and how it began with one drink and how alcoholics would be damned to eternal hell. He said, it would anger God for students to use the occasion to begin a life of alcoholism. With a few more very specific references to God and sin and the students he finished with a prayer to save everyone from temptation.

    Josie, I am here to tell you no one moved. The place was silent. Everyone was stunned. I was pissed beyond words. My wife had her fingers digging into my arm to keep me seated. Once the entire affair was finished a mob of angry parents rushed the preacher, the principal and anyone else connected with the school. People were shocked and very angry, even my very Southern Baptist mother-in-law.

    We felt used, we felt abused, we were offended. So many parents were offended that a letter of apology went out from the principal to the parents of the students who graduated.

    I'm not exaggerating, I'm shooting your straight. It is fact. I was there with my children and extended family.


    It's an intelligent, hard-working senior in high school having his/her moment to talk about his/her life, beliefs, influences,...whatever. Don't like it, don't believe it, don't live it? -- so what?
    And if the hard-working senior talked about how being a Wiccan had changed his life and allowed him to realize his full potential and finishing that he asked everyone to join him in a Wiccan prayer you'd be all for that and most supportive?










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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'd like to think I'm misinterpreting this comment, since it seems to imply that I would not have the same objections to religious utterances at a school graduation if the religion was anything other than Christian because you surely know me better than that. I do not believe that school functions should include religion, any religion.
    I do know you better than that, Di. Sincere apologies. My sarcasm had the better of me.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Liberty High valedictorian's speech causes stir - FOX Carolina 21

    Do you think the school was right to ban this in the first place? Why or why not?

    It is my understanding that SCOTUS has ruled on this, and that schools cannot ban voluntary student prayer... only staff-lead prayer or mandatory prayer.


    If that is correct, the school is in the wrong.

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