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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's freedom of religion not freedom from ever seeing or hearing anything religious anywhere ever.
    yes you are 100% correct

    although in some cases, very specific cases, it could violate my rights if im made or forced beyond reason to see it or listen to it.

    IMO i wouldnt say this fits that case but either way the school has every right to censor or limit the speeches at its functions.

    Would this have bothered me personally? no
    did he break the rules? yes
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's freedom of religion not freedom from ever seeing or hearing anything religious anywhere ever.
    Public schools are an arm of the state. The state cannot under our constitution establish religion. The issue is not that people will see a prayer.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If what he did was such a high crime against the Constitution then I'm sure you would want something serious to happen to the little traitor.
    I never said he violated the Constitution. I simply said he wasn't protected by the Constitution in this situation.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You do know it's NOT the school's event per se. It's a voluntary event, a celebration, paid for by the participants, and these days generally not even held on school grounds.
    The school has control over the event, thus it is a school event. Just because it is voluntary does not change that.

    And if people are paying to have that celebration, they are not paying to listen to some self-righteous douchebag push his religious views upon all in attendance. I guarantee you that NOBODY was in attendance to pray or worship. None of them. Not even the proselyting valedictorian.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You do know it's NOT the school's event per se. It's a voluntary event, a celebration, paid for by the participants, and these days generally not even held on school grounds.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Public schools are an arm of the state. The state cannot under our constitution establish religion. The issue is not that people will see a prayer.
    A prayer in a speech given by a student does nothing to establish a religion. That clause has been beaten and abused for many years now.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    No I don't ask that, that would be absurd. But when I see Religion being attacked, it makes me mad. Nobody tells the evolutionist or Athiest to shutup, that they can't spread their religion in schools.
    How are 1st Amendment Rights overlooked for Christians compared to other religions? Surely you must have loads of examples.

    Religion wasn't being attacked. Religion - your religion, my religion, their religion - has no place in a public school graduation address. Would you be as upset if most public school events were accompanied by Sikh prayer or a Hindu prayer or a Muslim prayer rather than a Christian prayer?

    Evolution isn't a religion. Nor is atheism. More to point, I don't know of any high school graduation address where the speaker deviated from his/her prepared speech to recite an evolution or atheist prayer.










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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I never said he violated the Constitution. I simply said he wasn't protected by the Constitution in this situation.
    So now that he has no constitutional protections what should be done to him?

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    A prayer in a speech given by a student does nothing to establish a religion. That clause has been beaten and abused for many years now.
    It certainly can be argued otherwise. However, in this case, he was protesting the removal of a invocation, which would be considered establishment.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So now that he has no constitutional protections what should be done to him?
    The school board properly decided to not do anything.
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