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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    When did I say he should be punished?
    If what he did was such a high crime against the Constitution then I'm sure you would want something serious to happen to the little traitor.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And the same people condemning him would not be.
    I'd like to think I'm misinterpreting this comment, since it seems to imply that I would not have the same objections to religious utterances at a school graduation if the religion was anything other than Christian because you surely know me better than that. I do not believe that school functions should include religion, any religion.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't care if they read from the Koran, Jewish writings, or the Satanic Bible. I think free speech and freedom of religion are paramount rights that should not be infringed upon. I think school boards and lawsuits have wrongfully tried to stamp out religion from school under an abused "separation of church and state" mantra. So long as the school doesn't teach a religion as fact or give special privileges to people of certain beliefs I think anything else should be permitted.
    But thats the point, the student was given a special privilege: to give a speech. That privilege means his speech is not protected by the 1st Amendment.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    BTW, this isn't a freedom of speech issue. The school has every right to have control over the content in THEIR event. If he was outside of the event prattling on about his religion, it would become a free speech issue.
    Absolutely.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    freedom of speech and religion arent infringed on by school censoring or limiting what is said at a school function/building/property.

    you still have the right to say and practice any religion you want
    It's freedom of religion not freedom from ever seeing or hearing anything religious anywhere ever.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    BTW, this isn't a freedom of speech issue. The school has every right to have control over the content in THEIR event. If he was outside of the event prattling on about his religion, it would become a free speech issue.
    You do know it's NOT the school's event per se. It's a voluntary event, a celebration, paid for by the participants, and these days generally not even held on school grounds.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You do know it's NOT the school's event per se. It's a voluntary event, a celebration, paid for by the participants, and these days generally not even held on school grounds.
    Very true.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    The prayer was banned. I didn't distort the question.
    No. The school board, when informed that the invocation at graduation was unconstitutional(it is), decided to remove the invocation and replace it with a moment of silence. Praying at the event is not banned(that would be unconstitutional as well).
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I don't think anyone is arguing you cannot talk about religion in school. As a teacher myself I held witness to students speaking out about their faith openly in class. I had no problem with it nor should I. But to use a position of privilege (graduation ceremony podium) and mislead the school over his speech is a different matter entirely. What if he decided to use the podium to preach White Power. Would that have been okay too?
    I think it would be the same issue. What is the school really going to do about it? If they are really concerned that they can't control their students on the podium, maybe they ought to do away with the practice of having a valedictorian make a speech.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You do know it's NOT the school's event per se. It's a voluntary event, a celebration, paid for by the participants, and these days generally not even held on school grounds.
    Students had to pay for their own graduation ceremony??? They may have had to pay for the rental of their graduation robes, but the entire ceremony? I find that very difficult to believe.

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