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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Define his time then? Apparently you have a double standard.
    Is it really that difficult to distinguish school time and personal time?
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The speaker was in an earned position, earned through the body of work. What good is it to earn something with which others must agree before it can be enjoyed? That is a restriction of speech no matter how one tries to defend it...
    The administration was not required to grant him his speech.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Is it really that difficult to distinguish school time and personal time?
    Students are allowed to speak about it at school, is that not school time?
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He earned the opportunity by being valedictorian.
    As stated to Paul, the administration was not required to grant him the speech.

    Restriction on his religious expression is what the discussion is about.
    No, you are trying to use that as a red herring. This has nothing to do with any religious expressions. If he lied to the administration and began reciting Robert Frost poems I would still have a problem with his behavior.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    As stated to Paul, the administration was not required to grant him the speech.



    No, you are trying to use that as a red herring. This has nothing to do with any religious expressions. If he lied to the administration and began reciting Robert Frost poems I would still have a problem with his behavior.
    You apparently don't know what the discussion is about then...
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Students are allowed to speak about it at school, is that not school time?
    Children can pray on lunch, during breaks and in between classes. They can even hold private bible studies after school. A valedictorian making a public speech at the school to students is not his time, it's school time.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You apparently don't know what the discussion is about then...
    I know exactly how some people are trying to twist the discussion. But my stance and reasoning is sound and relevant to the topic.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Children can pray on lunch, during breaks and in between classes. They can even hold private bible studies after school. A valedictorian making a public speech at the school to students is not his time, it's school time.
    That's debateable
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I know exactly how some people are trying to twist the discussion. But my stance and reasoning is sound and relevant to the topic.
    Seeing as I"m the one who created the topic, I think I know what the discussion is supposed to be about.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    That's debateable
    It's actually not.
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