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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Would I personally like it if another religions prayer was given? No, but I wouldn't cry about it either. It is their right.
    A public speech that no one else is allowed to have is not a RIGHT, but a PRIVILEGE. There is a difference.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    The school restricts his right to express his religion
    Nowhere did I read had the school restricted his right to express his religion.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Hello Polgara,

    Tolerance has nothing to do with it, at least for me. I currently work as a teacher aide. If I gave a student a detention for saying "F*** you!" would I be intolerant? Would I be suppressing his first amendment rights? This has nothing to do with his religion (I'm a Christian myself) and everything to do with the fact he was in a position of privilege no one else had. He was also dishonest about the content of his speech which the administration had every right to review.
    The speaker was in an earned position, earned through the body of work. What good is it to earn something with which others must agree before it can be enjoyed? That is a restriction of speech no matter how one tries to defend it...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The speaker was in an earned position, earned through the body of work. What good is it to earn something with which others must agree before it can be enjoyed? That is a restriction of speech no matter how one tries to defend it...
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    A public speech that no one else is allowed to have is not a RIGHT, but a PRIVILEGE. There is a difference.
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    Nowhere did I read had the school restricted his right to express his religion.
    He earned the opportunity by being valedictorian. Restriction on his religious expression is what the discussion is about.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    That is the basis of most arguments against this boy on the thread.



    People should be able to express themselves. But I have demonstrated how freedom of speech is not universal even in a public school. And yes, I have my disagreements on how schools are run, but that is not one of them. I see a grad speech as a privilege, not a right. No one else was able to go to the podium and give a speech of their own. Therefore, the administration is completely within their rights to censor the speech if they wish. It is no different than a teacher having control over content in his/her classroom. That's just how I feel. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
    The grad speech I don't know if I'd say it is a right or a privilege. It is an honor bestowed. Time given in recognition of accomplishment. My presumption is that they expect the lad or lass to say something intelligent, poignant perhaps, maybe even a little sentimental. The point however for this honor is to give him or her a voice, to hear what they have to say, in which the content -- absent of my before mentioned exclusions -- should be uncensored and of their choosing.


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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Liberty High valedictorian's speech causes stir - FOX Carolina 21

    Do you think the school was right to ban this in the first place? Why or why not?
    Prayer isn't banned in schools, as long as it's on the students own time. When will people get this through their heads? That said, this kid screwed up by ripping up his initial speech so he could make a political statement with this stunt. The school is well within their right to take punitive actions.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Prayer isn't banned in schools, as long as it's on the students own time. When will people get this through their heads? That said, this kid screwed up by ripping up his initial speech so he could make a political statement with this stunt. The school is well within their right to take punitive actions.
    He was on his own time, as you said.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    He was on his own time, as you said.
    No, it was a public speech on school time.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    No, it was a public speech on school time.
    Define his time then? Apparently you have a double standard.
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