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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    So if I start up a prayer thread how many of you intolerant assholes will go away and how many will stick around to express your outrage?

    I find a lot of things offensive. Gangster rap, abortion, pop culture for the most part. So I don't listen to gangster rap, never seen the inside of an abortion clinic, and when someone told me yesterday that Kim and Kanye had their baby I had to ask who Kim and Kanye were. But if I started off a thread here suggesting we all have a blessed Father's Day and said a prayer for all of our children some of you would hang out to express how offended you were. It takes a special kind of selfishness and ego to be a good liberal, your greatest achievement is also your biggest failure.

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    So if I start up a prayer thread how many of you intolerant assholes will go away and how many will stick around to express your outrage?

    I find a lot of things offensive. Gangster rap, abortion, pop culture for the most part. So I don't listen to gangster rap, never seen the inside of an abortion clinic, and when someone told me yesterday that Kim and Kanye had their baby I had to ask who Kim and Kanye were. But if I started off a thread here suggesting we all have a blessed Father's Day and said a prayer for all of our children some of you would hang out to express how offended you were. It takes a special kind of selfishness and ego to be a good liberal, your greatest achievement is also your biggest failure.
    Ya do know what ASS-U-MEing does my mighty offended one?

    I don't listen to gansta rap but do watch the news so I know Kim n Kayne had a kid with some oddball celebrity name.

    Never been in an abortion clinic but support a WOMAN'S right to an abortion without a bunch of government unfunded mandates standing between her and her doctor.

    And think you are being the north end of a south bound mule to think in this forum you'd be attacked for saying 'Blessed' which Wiccans do as well...

    Big difference between expressing that here and at a school function, and I know you know that difference.

    You have a BLESSED Father's Day and I hope and pray GAWD keeps you and your children safe

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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Ya do know what ASS-U-MEing does my mighty offended one?

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    Big difference between expressing that here and at a school function, and I know you know that difference.

    You have a BLESSED Father's Day and I hope and pray GAWD keeps you and your children safe
    I'm not sure that tech does "know the difference"
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    That's where you brought the argument, that isn't where it was originally.
    That is the basis of most arguments against this boy on the thread.

    The point is people need to be able to express themselves, there is a time and a place for everything, yes, I whole heart-ed agree. Saying that -- I find a grad speech, time given to an individual student in recognition for his accomplishments, if he feels that that time, his time should be spent praying to God, than that is the right time and the right place. It is about the individual student, not the prejudices of the audience.
    People should be able to express themselves. But I have demonstrated how freedom of speech is not universal even in a public school. And yes, I have my disagreements on how schools are run, but that is not one of them. I see a grad speech as a privilege, not a right. No one else was able to go to the podium and give a speech of their own. Therefore, the administration is completely within their rights to censor the speech if they wish. It is no different than a teacher having control over content in his/her classroom. That's just how I feel. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's not for the teacher to control, its for her superiors.
    The teacher has control over content in his/her classroom.

    The administration has control over school functions.

    Simple to understand.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    They have control over free speech?
    Have you EVER been in a classroom before?
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    What error was made? Is free speech now frowned upon depending on where it is located?
    One can have the freedom to do something but it doesn't mean people have to agree with what he/she did. In this case, the student was given a privilege and delivered it in a dishonest way. I agree with Cephus that nothing can be done about it, but it doesn't mean I (or others) agree with what he did.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    You can roll our eyes all day long, but it doesn't change the substance of the post...
    You are comparing apples and oranges. The colonists had an injustice done to them (taxation without representation). Yes, sometimes it is right to break the rules. And sometimes certain rules/laws are immoral and must be broken. But there was no injustice committed against this particular student.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Again, these students had already graduated.
    They are not graduated until they receive their diplomas.
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    Re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, AP.

    I also saw the youtube video, and I agree with your assessment of the audience's reaction. Is belief or faith in something greater than we are so scary to some people? Or is it the fact that it is something they personally do not agree with? Whatever happened to tolerance?
    Hello Polgara,

    Tolerance has nothing to do with it, at least for me. I currently work as a teacher aide. If I gave a student a detention for saying "F*** you!" would I be intolerant? Would I be suppressing his first amendment rights? This has nothing to do with his religion (I'm a Christian myself) and everything to do with the fact he was in a position of privilege no one else had. He was also dishonest about the content of his speech which the administration had every right to review.
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