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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Wow, what's it like to live in a such a state of perpetual sensitivity that you see Klansmen when you hear the Lord's Prayer?
    I don't. I'm a devout Christian, but I also am a devout advocate for the Constitution.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Students have always had a right to read and talk about religion in school and only a fool thinks otherwise.
    I don't think anyone is arguing you cannot talk about religion in school. As a teacher myself I held witness to students speaking out about their faith openly in class. I had no problem with it nor should I. But to use a position of privilege (graduation ceremony podium) and mislead the school over his speech is a different matter entirely. What if he decided to use the podium to preach White Power. Would that have been okay too?
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Reporters, Staffers, are required to be there, does that impose on their rights?
    they chose that job. They dont HAVE to work as a reporter or a staff of the President.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You're right, as I say, he should be severely punished, you know, to show our commitment to religious freedom. Lol.
    When did I say he should be punished?
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You need to read your source and check your facts. His speech was not banned, the only point of contention is that speeches needed to be approved. What he said was not what the school had approved. He was protesting a move to remove prayer as an official part of graduation ceremony, which is realistically a good thing and appropriate to remove from a school(ie state sponsored activity) activity. When you have to distort your question for the poll, you kinda lose credibility.
    The prayer was banned. I didn't distort the question.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    BTW, this isn't a freedom of speech issue. The school has every right to have control over the content in THEIR event. If he was outside of the event prattling on about his religion, it would become a free speech issue.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Let'd be honest here. If it was the way you are making it out to seem like there would be only a fraction of students attending. Those people had no idea what they were getting into when they showed up.
    Yes, be honest - no one ever does. Some classes moon the principal, I've seen it. Some wear stickers and buttons they're not supposed to. I've been to one where the entire female portion of the class flashed their bras.

    Look, much of the authority school personnel have over the students is illusion. It's an illusion purposefully built. How many times did you hear in high school, "if you do that it'll go on your permanent record!"?

    But largely students attend because all their friends are and/or their parents make it mandatory.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't care if they read from the Koran, Jewish writings, or the Satanic Bible. I think free speech and freedom of religion are paramount rights that should not be infringed upon. I think school boards and lawsuits have wrongfully tried to stamp out religion from school under an abused "separation of church and state" mantra. So long as the school doesn't teach a religion as fact or give special privileges to people of certain beliefs I think anything else should be permitted.
    freedom of speech and religion arent infringed on by school censoring or limiting what is said at a school function/building/property.

    you still have the right to say and practice any religion you want
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    BTW, this isn't a freedom of speech issue. The school has every right to have control over the content in THEIR event. If he was outside of the event prattling on about his religion, it would become a free speech issue.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    they chose that job. They dont HAVE to work as a reporter or a staff of the President.
    Just like people chose to show up to a graduation.
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