View Poll Results: Is Bradley Manning a Whistleblower or Traitor?

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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Did he really choose what he released or just grabbed whatever he could then put it on the internet?

    I have a difficult time believing he read even a small fraction of the 250,000 or so files he downloaded.
    I don't think you have to read a document from beginning to end to know what its about.
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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    He obviously had access to real secrets and didn't reveal any. No weapons info. No Logistics info. No security info. He chose what he released.
    No, he didn't. He mass-downloaded classified documents (lots of them State Department Cables) onto CD's that he'd marked as 'Music' and then data-dumped it all straight to WikiLeaks.

    Manning is no hero. He's a traitor, an he's put others at risk in order to engage in his own version of snotty 15 year old rebellion against authority. If it wasn't unconstitutional I'd be tempted to support having him doused in kerosene, set on fire, and having a tape of the event added to the briefing you get when you are read in to TS/SCI.

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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Gays serving in the military or the intelligence community have a established track record of doing stupid things when their sexual orientation interferes with their duty.
    Take your bigotry to Stormfront buddy.
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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If it wasn't unconstitutional I'd be tempted to support having him doused in kerosene, set on fire, and having a tape of the event added to the briefing you get when you are read in to TS/SCI.
    So nice to know a piece of paper would stop you from committing a horrendous act of torture. Would you do the same to soldiers who have actually willingly murdered Iraqis and Afghans?
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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    So nice to know a piece of paper would stop you from committing a horrendous act of torture.
    It's not a piece of paper. It's the Constitution. And it's not torture so much as it is a particularly awful form of execution. And you'll note that I didn't say I would commit such an act, I said I would be tempted to support doing so. If you are going to get on a high horse to make a moral charge, you may wish to make sure your horse is pointed in the right direction.

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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I don't think you have to read a document from beginning to end to know what its about.
    No but at 250,000+ documents I have a very difficult time believing he read just one word from each.

    As a point of reference, War & Peace has about 500,000 words.

    And I don't think you can get much from reading one word in a document.

    It's your business if you want to make yourself look foolish defending him but it seems far more likely he just copied files he had access to without having any real idea what the files were.

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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    So nice to know a piece of paper would stop you from committing a horrendous act of torture. Would you do the same to soldiers who have actually willingly murdered Iraqis and Afghans?
    It is kinda nice to know that the law of the land is something he considers worth following isn't it? cpwill and I do not agree on much, but we do both agree that Manning's acts where particularly heinous and deserving of the maximum punishment under the law if he is found guilty. I think we would also agree that soldiers guilty of murdering any one and found guilty of such in court should likewise be punished to the full extent of the law. If a member of the military has evidence of a criminal act, they can safely take action as outlined here: 10 USC 1034 - Protected communications; prohibition of retaliatory personnel actions | Title 10 - Armed Forces | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute . They are protected then from reprisals. Note that what Manning did is completely different. Mass release of confidential documents, or even the release of any confidential document to the media is not protected and is a criminal act. There is good reason for this.
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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Take your bigotry to Stormfront buddy.
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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    I agree with you regarding Manning's culpability, but your homophobic comments are disgusting and would not be out of place at Stormfront. It reveals something really unpleasant about you.
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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's not a piece of paper. It's the Constitution.
    I know what it is. I just am fascinated that only man-made law, and not conscience or morality or faith, is what stops you from doing something so heinous.


    And it's not torture so much as it is a particularly awful form of execution.
    AKA torture before death.

    And you'll note that I didn't say I would commit such an act, I said I would be tempted to support doing so.
    I do believe you said it is the Constitution that stops you from doing it.
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