View Poll Results: Is Bradley Manning a Whistleblower or Traitor?

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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    The civilians "living in the area" know better than to approach one of our convoys. Giving everyone the benefit of a "closer look" is how you wind up with tragic events like the one shown in the video below.



    I don't know about you, but I'm not going to risk my life on the off chance that a potentially threatening individual might happen to be merely incredibly stupid rather than actively malicious. If they're not smart enough to act with the extra care a given sitution requires, that is their problem, not mine.

    Quite franky, if, as a soldier, you can look at a any large group of men loitering near your position in a war zone and assume that they're not up to something, you deserve the horrible death that's about to come to you.

    Hell! The men in question actually were "up to something." They were targeting US forces. The fact that they happened to be doing so with cameras rather than weapons is incidental, because the apache pilots had no possible way of being able to tell the difference.

    If these journalists had simply let someone know their intentions before hand, they would still be alive today.

    I could just agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
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    None of the above. If found guilty, he is a criminal. There is no excuse for his alleged actions.
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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Pvt. Manning was a gay soldier who found out his lover was cheating on him. Gays serving in the military or the intelligence community have a established track record of doing stupid things when their sexual orientation interferes with their duty.

    Most straight soldiers are able to still perform when they get a "Dear John Letter." Gay's seem to go bananas when they get a "Dear John Letter."

    That's why gays are still not allowed to serve in most of the worlds intelligence services and where gays are allowed to openly serve in the military are denied top intelligence security clearance.

    Remember Clayton Hartwig and the 47 sailors who were killed on the USS Wisconsin 16" gun turret explosion ? Remember the Navy's first findings after the investigation ? Remember how the gay activist demanded that a different finding be issued ? The Navy was ordered to change their investigation findings.

    Manning is a traitor.
    Good lord, the stupid, it burns!
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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I could just agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
    I'd much rather be judged by twelve than carried by six. If a soldier feels any other way about it, they're a fool, and very likely a dead fool at that.

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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Good lord, the stupid, it burns!
    Surprised you took your head out of the sand to respond.

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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Pvt. Manning was a gay soldier who found out his lover was cheating on him. Gays serving in the military or the intelligence community have a established track record of doing stupid things when their sexual orientation interferes with their duty.

    Most straight soldiers are able to still perform when they get a "Dear John Letter." Gay's seem to go bananas when they get a "Dear John Letter."

    That's why gays are still not allowed to serve in most of the worlds intelligence services and where gays are allowed to openly serve in the military are denied top intelligence security clearance.

    Remember Clayton Hartwig and the 47 sailors who were killed on the USS Wisconsin 16" gun turret explosion ? Remember the Navy's first findings after the investigation ? Remember how the gay activist demanded that a different finding be issued ? The Navy was ordered to change their investigation findings.

    Manning is a traitor.
    What a bunch of homophobic garbage.

    Yes, Manning deserves to be in jail for the rest of his life, but the rest of the crap you spewed is just crap. I've seen plenty of heterosexual men do stupid things in the military.

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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Surprised you took your head out of the sand to respond.
    Suprised you were able to still type with your head firmly up your ass.

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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    What a bunch of homophobic garbage.

    Yes, Manning deserves to be in jail for the rest of his life, but the rest of the crap you spewed is just crap. I've seen plenty of heterosexual men do stupid things in the military.

    >" the Army should bear the blame, since it gave Manning access to state secrets even though officers knew Manning was emotionally unstable, due largely to gender-confusion and being gay when "don't ask, don't tell" was still the law. Could this novel "gay soldier" defense actually work? "< -> WikiLeaks: Will a 'gay soldier' defense help Bradley Manning? - The Week



    >" Honor gay hero Bradley Manning volume: volume 34
    issue 3
    June 2013
    In April, former grand marshals for San Francisco Gay Pride made nominations for marshals for this year’s parade and voted, as usual. A winner was Bradley Manning, the gay soldier who leaked classified documents that proved war crimes by the U.S. government in Iraq and Afghanistan, among many other offenses.

    The president of the SF Pride board, Lisa Williams, immediately countermanded the decision. Williams’ career is in managing Democratic Party campaigns, which probably explains why her statement reads as though it was dictated by the prosecutor in Manning’s case.

    Most Pride events have transformed into corporate-sponsored extravaganzas that suppress the original radical messages of gay liberation. But the battle for the soul of Pride lives on. San Francisco organizations from ACT UP to the gay-centered American Legion Post 315 protested the disavowal of Manning. A New York City coalition including the Freedom Socialist Party is organizing a Bradley Manning Pride contingent there.

    With his court martial set to start on June 3, Manning deserves the support of his LGBT sisters and brothers — and the support of every peacenik and anti-imperialist. To find out about a June 1 rally at Fort Meade and other support events, visit Bradley Manning Support Network "<

    Freedom Socialist editorial: Honor gay hero Bradley Manning | www.socialism.com


    Excerpts:

    >" Frontline says Manning used social media to show his support for the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell and gay marriage, and even posted pictures of himself at gay rights rallies with pro-gay signs. His father and others expressed concern over the public display of his sexual orientation while under the U.S. military's DADT policy.

    It's reported that Manning had a relationship with Tyler Watkins a student in Boston, and was introduced there to a group of computer science students and "hackers." Frontline says Manning went to Iraq, but returned to find that Watkins wanted to break off their relationship. The show adds that Manning took the news that Watkins began a new relationship very hard. (Frontline / PBS)

    For more, see the New York Times' profile of Manning from March 2011, another report which delved into his gay life. "< 'Frontline' examines gay life of Bradley Manning and his difficult Army experience - Last Word

    >" "He's a runt, so pick on him. He's crazy, pick on him. He's a faggot, pick on him. The guy took it from every side. He couldn't please anyone."

    The Guardian says Manning was sent to Iraq despite indications of his "unfit" mental state, and was eventually sent back to Boston where he had a boyfriend attending college, Tyler Watkins. However, Manning returned to find that his relationship had fallen apart. A friend of Manning's, Keith Rose, says of the situation:

    ''It ended seemingly abruptly, but Brad didn't really know that.... He wanted to feel like a hero, like you hear in the stories. He had just come back from a war... instead, he was met with a boyfriend who didn't want him, and basically no friends at all.''

    The Guardian says Manning was then returned to Iraq where he had a physical altercation with his female commander. He left a number of messages of frustration on Facebook, including this to his ex-boyfriend:

    ''I live in a very real world, where deaths and detainments are just statistics; where idealistic calls for 'liberation' and 'freedom' are utterly meaningless.... I don't have a real place to call home, except for a trailer with a bunk, a laptop, and an alarm clock. Please don't let the LAST PERSON that I trust and care about go away. I haven't given up.'' "< More revealed about Bradley Manning's gay past; PBS site hacked after airing 'Wikisecrets' [video] - Last Word


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    1st June: Defend Bradley Manning our Gay Hero! | Global Women's Strike

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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    I'd like to stay largely out of this conversation, but fwiw I think the Collateral Murder video was very important, I'm glad people got to see it, and I think those involved in decrypting it (which manning isn't even alleged to have done) should be damn proud of themselves.

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    Re: Bradley Manning: Patriotic Whistleblower or Traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    He's a traitor . . . I'm puzzled at the whistleblower notion - what did he reveal? What concern did he have?

    None.
    I don't know him so I cannot say for sure what his motives were. But the information hereleased did include video/information on the Granai air strike which resulted in the deaths of 86-147 people (mostly women and children). An act far more egregious than anything Manning had done.
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