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    Re: Should stadiums and arenas be publicly financed?

    The government steals enough of my money to fund fantasies I have no interest in already. My answer is a firm no.
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    Re: Should stadiums and arenas be publicly financed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I'm ok with upgrades to the surrounding streets. I'm not ok with taxpayers building the stadium, maintaining the stadium, and then giving the team a cut of every non-sporting event that occurs there.
    I'm pretty sure the teams don't get a cut, here. In fact, IIRC, they pay us a fee for using it, though I'm sure they get one hell of a discount for being long-term "customers" - and they do get a say in any upgrades we make. What I like about it is that the public can also use the space when the teams aren't using it. A lot of people jog out there, teens without licenses learn how to drive (in the parking lots), RC planes and copters take off and land there at times (though there range is limited because of nearby roads), & etc. In short, it's a monitored public park when not in use for a scheduled event.
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    Re: Should stadiums and arenas be publicly financed?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'm pretty sure the teams don't get a cut, here. In fact, IIRC, they pay us a fee for using it, though I'm sure they get one hell of a discount for being long-term "customers" - and they do get a say in any upgrades we make. What I like about it is that the public can also use the space when the teams aren't using it. A lot of people jog out there, teens without licenses learn how to drive (in the parking lots), RC planes and copters take off and land there at times (though there range is limited because of nearby roads), & etc. In short, it's a monitored public park when not in use for a scheduled event.
    ours was an exceptionally poor deal. team was privately threatening to leave, and the city desperately wants to be "world class." with no mountain, lake, ocean, or cultural hub, sports is the only thing left. they were able to basically write their own check, and then the basketball team got jealous and also got a renegotiated deal.

    i spent much of the mid 2000s bitching about it online, so my anger over the whole thing is pretty much spent. if that's the way we want to allocate tax revenue, fine. i can easily avoid restaurants, hotels, and car rental in the capital city if i don't want to pay. i've basically accepted it at this point.

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    Re: Should stadiums and arenas be publicly financed?

    If you are not a taxpayer of that jurisdiction, why is it any of your business?

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    Re: Should stadiums and arenas be publicly financed?

    Sure...if the community votes on it and agrees to pay for it out of taxes.

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    Re: Should stadiums and arenas be publicly financed?

    No. Sports are an entertainment, not a required part of society. And while they may be fun to play, and lucrative for some, they remain dangerous and counterintuitive to our fragile bodies. The main stream media and the public brain trust, for instance, have finally realized that football players get concussions from using their heads on one another like rams do out in the wild. I suppose it had never dawned on them for some sixty + years that when two opposing people's heads collide that something is going on inside their skull. So no, no public funding.

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    Re: Should stadiums and arenas be publicly financed?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    If you are not a taxpayer of that jurisdiction, why is it any of your business?

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    because the state is trying to gut public schools via vouchers and funding cuts ($300 million dollar cut a few years back,) yet can drop more than $700 million into a new building for people to throw balls around in. as a citizen of my state, i have a right to be pissed off by that. i'd be even more pissed if i lived closer to the capital, which may eventually happen because that's where the jobs are.

    as i previously stated, though, i've accepted that people are willing to devote large amounts of tax money to ball throwing. i don't agree with it, but that's democracy.

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    Re: Should stadiums and arenas be publicly financed?

    Consider that the first publicly funded pro sports stadium was Milwaukee's County Stadium, and that it wasn't built until the early 1950s, it's obvious that pro sport leagues and teams were able to thrive just fine without public financing. They take advantage of it now because they can, because we're a bunch of suckers, not because they have to.

    Also, once they started building stadiums to be more durable in the 1910s and 1920s, they commonly lasted for 60+ years. Every possible cent was wrung out of them. Now, it's not uncommon for a stadium to be deemed unsuitable in half that time, and the reasons have to do with trendiness, not lack of functionality. But hey, when you've got some sucker paying for it, why not, eh?

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    Re: Should stadiums and arenas be publicly financed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    No. Sports are an entertainment, not a required part of society.
    We have 40-50,000 years of evidence of musical instruments that say otherwise - and most likely several tens of thousands of years of wooden instruments that haven't survived to be found. Entertainment is a basic part of our nature. Whether it's music, dance, theater, or sports doesn't matter.
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