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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you are correct that is why we have the 9th amendment, becuase we have more rights than are enumerated.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

    rights are unalienable ...........if the could be amended or repealed, then they would not be unalienable.



    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

    Congress of the United States
    begun and held at the City of New-York, on
    Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.


    who are the clauses which makeup the bill of rights, established 2 years after the constitution declaratory and restrictive too?...the federal government!

    also read the American founding fathers who state....they cannot be amended or repealed.

    "[You have Rights] antecedent to all earthly governments:
    Rights, that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws;
    Rights, derived from the Great Legislator of the universe."

    by:John Adams


    Nothing is unchangeable but the inherent and unalienable rights of man.

    by : Thomas Jefferson
    Show me where in the constitution is specifically states or implies that there are limits to what can be done with an amendment, and what those limits are. Stuff not in the constitution is irrelevant.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    because the Constitution itself, that creates the federal government, has clauses which can be AMENDED.......the clauses of the bill of rights CANNOT BE AMENDED, BECAUSE THEY ARE RESTRICTIVE CLAUSES towards the federal government.
    Sorry, the Fed doesn't make Amendments. Try again, and again, and again, and again ... eventually you'll figure it out.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Show me where in the constitution is specifically states or implies that there are limits to what can be done with an amendment, and what those limits are. Stuff not in the constitution is irrelevant.
    the constitution was created in 1787..the bill of rights in 1789 two years later.

    it sole purpose was to stop the federal government from infringing on rights, yet you and others claim the government can create an amendment and work to get around the bill or rights to infringe.......

    WHO are the declaratory and restrictive clauses, aimed at?...........to prevent usurpation of rights?

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Sorry, the Fed doesn't make Amendments. Try again, and again, and again, and again ... eventually you'll figure it out.
    How did income tax start?

    There was an income tax before the 16th amendment, and it was in effect during the Civil War. Anyone making more than $800 would be charged a tax of 3% and then eventually 3-5% on income over $600. This was actually a lot of money during the Civil War. This income tax ended in 1866.The desire of Americans to pass an income tax on the rich was strong in 1909, when President William Taft proposed a 2% of big businesses know as corporations. Following this lead, Congress wrote the 16th amendment and after agreeing on the rules of the amendment about income tax, sent to the states to be voted on. Although many northern states did not like the idea of an income tax in the 16th amendment, western states strongly supported it.

    For the amendment to become part of the constitution, 36 states needed to ratify (approve) it. The 36th state to approve the 16th amendment was Delaware in 1931, almost four years after the first state, Alabama, ratified the 16th amendment in

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ... sent to the states to be voted on ...
    Exactly! You finally figured it out. Good for you!
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And this has to do with, what exactly?

    Sorry, the Fed doesn't make Amendments. Try again, and again, and again, and again ... eventually you'll figure it out.
    Congress wrote the 16th amendment and after agreeing on the rules of the amendment about income tax

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitution was created in 1787..the bill of rights in 1789 two years later.

    it sole purpose was to stop the federal government from infringing on rights, yet you and others claim the government can create an amendment and work to get around the bill or rights to infringe.......

    WHO are the declaratory and restrictive clauses, aimed at?...........to prevent usurpation of rights?

    Why did you not answer my question?
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    I would like to see the 2nd amended to, "Shall not infringe and you will get shot if you try"

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Show me where in the constitution is specifically states or implies that there are limits to what can be done with an amendment, and what those limits are. Stuff not in the constitution is irrelevant.
    The poster will not be able to do this. Everything about the Amendment process is contained in Article V of the US Constitution and only that applies to the process. Nothing else.

    Far too many people here have no respect for the Constitution. When it will not say what they want it to say, they have no problem jumping to other documents and even the personal observations of individuals which they attempt to foist off as being equal with the actual Constitution.

    Its all there in Article V.

    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Congress wrote the 16th amendment and after agreeing on the rules of the amendment about income tax
    Congress doesn't create law by writing a proposal. Until the 38/50 States approve Congress's proposal there is no Amendment.
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