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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    NO. All I am demanding that you do is show us verifiable evidence that your precious Preamble to the Bill of Rights was ratified by the states.

    And you are woefully impotent to do that.
    last time!...............from the man who wrote the bill of rights!


    Here is the most satisfactory and authentic proof<------------- that the several amendments proposed were to be considered as either declaratory or restrictive, and, whether the one or the other as corresponding with the desire expressed by a number of the States, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government.

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    MADISON'S OWN WORDS ON THE BILL OF RIGHTS:

    Here is the most satisfactory and authentic proof<------------- that the several amendments proposed were to be considered as either declaratory or restrictive, and, whether the one or the other as corresponding with the desire expressed by a number of the States, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government.
    It doesn't matter what anyone had to say before or after the fact,

    the only thing that matters is
    Did the States agree to it?


    You've been going on and on about what the Fed can and cannot do while I've continued to show that only the States can make a proposal become an Amendment to the Constitution and become law. When we get to the Preamble, though, you post the words of ONE man at the Fed level and expect that to be sufficient to prove your case. Where are the States in all this? What federal proposals did they pass into law? That's what you need to answer. When it comes to amending the Constitution, all Congress can do is propose changes. It takes 3/4 of the States to approve any proposed change to the Constitution in order to actually change the Constitution. By itself, the federal government can do NOTHING to change the Constitution, let alone one man at the federal level, regardless of who he is.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    last time!...............from the man who wrote the bill of rights!


    Here is the most satisfactory and authentic proof<------------- that the several amendments proposed were to be considered as either declaratory or restrictive, and, whether the one or the other as corresponding with the desire expressed by a number of the States, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government.
    NO. There is only one question that you have already answered but have failed to provide the evidence for: did the necessary states ratify the Preamble to the Bill of Rights?

    You have not presented any evidence that the needed number of states did so...... let alone even a single one.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It doesn't matter what anyone had to say before or after the fact,

    the only thing that matters is
    Did the States agree to it?
    EB is playing a very dishonest game. It is clear that he can find not one shred of evidence that his previous Preamble to the Bill of Rights was ever ratified by the States.

    In place of this he attempts to engage us in the equal to a street game of three card Montie.

    He has no evidence that the states ratified the Preamble to the Bill of Rights.

    The National Archives hold no such evidence.

    State records hold no such evidence.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    EB is playing a very dishonest game. It is clear that he can find not one shred of evidence that his previous Preamble to the Bill of Rights was ever ratified by the States.

    In place of this he attempts to engage us in the equal to a street game of three card Montie.

    He has no evidence that the states ratified the Preamble to the Bill of Rights.

    The National Archives hold no such evidence.

    State records hold no such evidence.
    lol, you cant win, Madison has won, and now your claiming dishonestly.

    now you gone even lower....case is closed!

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Delaware.

    it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.

    THE BILL OF RIGHTS

    the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Texas.

    it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.

    texas picture copy of the federal bill of rights - Bing Images

    the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Rhode Island.

    it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.

    http://www.revolutionary-war-and-bey...tion-large.jpg

    other states copies of the federal bill of rights can be found on line, and they state the clauses are declaratory and restrictive clauses also.

    court is adjourned.............Madison ..master of the bill of rights.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    lol, you cant win, Madison has won, and now your claiming dishonestly.

    now you gone even lower....case is closed!
    Madison has NO POWER to add things to the US Constitution.

    The document you linked to from Delaware shows 12 amendments in the Bill of Rights plus the Preamble. Obviously - there are NOT 12 amendments in the Bill of Rights nor a preamble. Can you count?

    It is fairly obvious that you do not even read what you post.

    You have provided no evidence that the needed minimum states ever ratified the Preamble to the US Constitution to make it an official part of the US Constitution. The actions of one state are irrelevant and no not constitute the needed number for ratification.

    You have been given many many many opportunities to do so. And you have been impotent to do so. By this point, you are now simply lying about it and engaging in an intentional and purposeful fraud to try and deceive others to advance your own political or ideological agenda.

    That is disgusting
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Delaware.

    it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.

    THE BILL OF RIGHTS

    the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Rhode Island.

    it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.

    http://www.revolutionary-war-and-bey...tion-large.jpg

    other states copies of the federal bill of rights can be found on line, and they state the clauses are declaratory and restrictive clauses also.

    court is adjourned.............Madison ..master of the bill of rights.
    Isn't it interesting that both these pictures contain all 12 proposed amendments yet Delaware rejected Article I and Rhode Island rejected Article II? Obviously, these aren't the documents that were ratified by those states, they're just the copies the respective States received from the Fed. Sorry, your evidence is obviously irrelevant.


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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Isn't it interesting that both these pictures contain all 12 proposed amendments yet Delaware rejected Article I and Rhode Island rejected Article II? Obviously, these aren't the documents that were ratified by those states, they're just the copies the respective States received from the Fed. Sorry, your evidence is obviously irrelevant.


    court is adjourned ... you lost your case.
    Like the rape trial against the 93 year old - the evidence failed to stand up in court.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Like the rape trial against the 93 year old - the evidence failed to stand up in court.

    Madison case is strong and decisive, sorry you cant live with the truth and choose to remain in denial.......via con dios

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