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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the whole document was read to the state legislators, when it was presented to them, and accepted as a whole document, not just part of it.

    sorry ....you cannot get around that fact.
    Then why aren't there twelve amendments in the Bill of Rights?!?
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yesterday, I heard an argument that I was not aware of. Basically the individual claimed that one could not legally amend the United States Constitution so that it changed or repealed any of the current Amendments in the first ten - the Bill of Rights.
    It can be amended, but it is unnecessary when you can just have the SCOTUS say whatever they want to say about it. The expansion in power of the Courts have destroyed any necessity for amending the Constitution.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Last time I checked, federal laws weren't the only things housed in the National Archives. If the case is closed, you lost.
    The First Congress of the United States submitted 12 amendments to the states. Numbers 3 through 12 were ratified and became the first ten amendments to the Constitution of the United States. They are known as the Bill of Rights. The original copies are located in the National Archives Building in Washington, DC. The Bill of Rights is made up of the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution. The original copy is located in the United States Archive in Washington DC.

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    The First Congress of the United States submitted 12 amendments to the states. Numbers 3 through 12 were ratified and became the first ten amendments to the Constitution of the United States. They are known as the Bill of Rights. The original copies are located in the National Archives Building in Washington, DC. The Bill of Rights is made up of the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution. The original copy is located in the United States Archive in Washington DC.
    Does that original copy include all 12 amendments? If not, then it obviously wasn't what was sent to the States for ratification.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then why aren't there twelve amendments in the Bill of Rights?!?
    i answered this already, but will again for you, out of the original 12 ,only 10 were ratified, numbers 3 to 12, 1 and 2 were not.

    however one of the two were ratified in 1992

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Does that original copy include all 12 amendments? If not, then it obviously wasn't what was sent to the States for ratification.
    you just said they were not in the national archives.........trying something else now?

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you just said they were not in the national archives.........trying something else now?
    I didn't say anything about the National Archives except that other things besides US laws were stored there. Anything else dealing with the National Archives is something you've claimed.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i answered this already, but will again for you, out of the original 12 ,only 10 were ratified, numbers 3 to 12, 1 and 2 were not.

    however one of the two were ratified in 1992
    I am well aware of that, but that didn't really answer the question, did it?


    If the Bill of Rights is ONE document (as you've claimed) that was sent to the States then it follows that either all of it was ratified - meaning all twelve amendments and the Preamble - or it wasn't.

    Since there are only ten Amendments in the Bill of Rights, the answer is obvious. There never was "one document" with ten Amendments that was sent to the States for ratification, therefore, the States didn't ratify the Preamble. That's the logical conclusion from the facts presented.


    If you have other evidence to present then do so, but your continued resistance and lack of response seems to say you have no evidence for your claim that the Preamble was ratified by the States.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no not an oversight....i mentioned the source already...but i will again for you...James Madison, Report on the Virginia Resolutions
    Jan. 1800
    Which is clearly NOT the US Constitution so it has no legal weight.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    which is clearly not the us constitution so it has no legal weight.

    lol......

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