View Poll Results: Can the Bill of Rights be legally amended with other Amendments?

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is the point, that the federalist papers interpret the constitution, and they were written before the constitution was fully ratified, to educate the people on what the constitution means.

    so when Madison says the federal government is supposed to be limited...its supposed to be limited.
    Used car salesmen say a lot of things before selling you a car, too. You should make sure what they've said is in the agreement or you should disregard what they've said. The final contract that is signed by both parties are what holds sway in court, not what one party or the other thought they were signing.


    No, I'm not trying to compare Madison to a used car salesmen but the used car example is common and well understood by most people. No one can deny the how the law works in those cases.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i go by what the founders say ,not the USSC
    The founders said alot of things. Many of them did not make it into law. What matters is what the founders passed into law. Please learn history and legal theory.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is the point, that the federalist papers interpret the constitution, and they were written before the constitution was fully ratified, to educate the people on what the constitution means.

    so when Madison says the federal government is supposed to be limited...its supposed to be limited.
    This is 100 % false., The Federalist Papers offer opinions on the constitution. They do not interpret it, they are not legally binding, and even suggesting that they represent anything more than the opinions of the author is false.

    Why do those most likely to bring up the Federalist Papers the ones who are least likely to understand them?
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    140 Of the twelve amendments proposed by Congress on September 25, 1789, the last ten amendments were Ratified pursuant to the Fifth Article of the Original Constitution by the legislatures of the several States on Dec 15, 1791, and became what is known today as "The Bill of Rights."
    Wait a minute! You just said ...
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when the bill or rights was ratified , the whole document was accepted, they did not cut off the top half of the document, the whole document is in the national archives.
    ... and now you're plainly showing that "the whole document" - twelve Amendments in total - was NOT accepted and signed by the States. SO, you're back to haymarket's question:

    Was the Preamble actually agreed to by the States or was that something that was just sent to the States along with twelve Amendments, two of which did not pass?


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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is 100 % false., The Federalist Papers offer opinions on the constitution. They do not interpret it, they are not legally binding, and even suggesting that they represent anything more than the opinions of the author is false.

    Why do those most likely to bring up the Federalist Papers the ones who are least likely to understand them?
    Ernst was correct. Without the Federalist papers, along with the BOR, the Constitution would most likely not have been ratified...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by redress View Post
    the founders said alot of things. Many of them did not make it into law. What matters is what the founders passed into law. Please learn history and legal theory.
    i have, but i suggest you read up on the founders, its an eye opening experience.

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by mosurveyor View Post
    wait a minute! You just said ... ... And now you're plainly showing that "the whole document" - twelve amendments in total - was not accepted and signed by the states. So, you're back to haymarket's question:

    Was the preamble actually agreed to by the states or was that something that was just sent to the states along with twelve amendments, two of which did not pass?


    You know do when people fax contracts the cover sheet for the fax is not part of the contract.
    you profess you know what happen, surely you know only 10 amendments were ratified in 1791

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by redress View Post
    this is 100 % false., the federalist papers offer opinions on the constitution. They do not interpret it, they are not legally binding, and even suggesting that they represent anything more than the opinions of the author is false.

    Why do those most likely to bring up the federalist papers the ones who are least likely to understand them?
    really? You will find they address the issues of the constitution, and its construction.

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By that logic, those means would be unconstitutional.
    Yep.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you profess you know what happen, surely you know only 10 amendments were ratified in 1791
    But how many were proposed by Congress sent to the States?
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