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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i didn't i mentioned him earlier.
    Oh, I see.

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the preambles are the goals of our foundlings documents, and what they are trying to achieve.

    the BOR is to secure the rights of the people from infringement by the federal government.......this means government has no power over them to take any kind of action concerning them.
    I ask you again, when the States ratified the Bill of Rights to make it an official part of the US Constitution, did they also ratify the Preamble that you keep citing?
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    will you take over, for me, i have a doctors appointment soon......
    Sure, I suppose. I'm not as good as you though.

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so again your saying congress can propose an amendment, pass it by 2/3 of congress and work to get it passed by states, and then alter of abolish rights, and then make laws, concerning those rights which were protected before the amendment?

    wow, ..sure sounds to me, like a way around the rights of the people...which are unalienable.......Not to be separated, given away, or taken away
    Congress doesn't alter or abolish any rights in the Constitution. You keep making the same mistake over and over. The federal government does not have the power to change the Constitution. I don't know what part of that is so hard for you to understand.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sure, I suppose. I'm not as good as you though.
    Terrific!

    So perhaps you can provide the answer that EB was trying very hard to avoid answering: when the bill of rights was ratified by the States, did the also ratify the Preamble to it?
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the preambles are the goals of our foundlings documents, and what they are trying to achieve.

    the BOR is to secure the rights of the people from infringement by the federal government.......this means the federal government has no power to make laws infringing over them to take any kind of action concerning them.
    There, fixed it for you.


    And the federal government can't since it can only make a proposal, not a law. Even your own BoR Preamble says that:

    "... that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz."
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Great post.

    I would say that rights come from a two step process:

    1- enough citizens come to demand that a certain behavior be recognized and protected by the government as a right.

    2- they use their power to get the government to enshrine that behavior as a right.

    Power can come in all forms - at the ballot box and with brute force.
    That is just a view of slavery, nothing more. Sad, really.

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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is just a view of slavery, nothing more. Sad, really.
    How does people uniting in common purpose to get a behavior recognized by the government as a right somehow someway equate to SLAVERY?
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How does people uniting in common purpose to get a behavior recognized by the government as a right somehow someway equate to SLAVERY?
    Especially when one of those actions was getting rid of legal slavery.
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    Re: Can you legally Amend the Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Especially when one of those actions was getting rid of legal slavery.
    Excellent point.
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