View Poll Results: Do you support the death penalty for voter fraud?

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  • I'm a Democrat and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    0 0%
  • I'm a Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud

    3 3.09%
  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    6 6.19%
  • I'm a Democrat and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    18 18.56%
  • I'm a Republican and disapprove of the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    12 12.37%
  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    58 59.79%
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I think those who do voter fraud have their electoral rights removed and spend up to 1 year in prison. But the electoral rights removal part is for life.

    I disapprove of the death penalty universally, for anything, except treason or high treason.
    I consider vote fraud HIGH TREASON!
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually it is a very simple and reasonable request: if you feel there is a problem that needs to be addressed - then it is incumbent upon you to properly provide ample and verifiable evidence of the problem
    so that we know it does exist and is significant.

    If you cannot do that, all we have is demagoguery being tossed around for political purposes. And almost always that is what these discussions are about. You got nothing and you continue to have nothing.
    I understood you up to your last sentence which is your own form of demagoguery. If Cambodia has had the same democratically elected leader for the last 30 years, then I find it reasonable to suspect that there might be some voter fraud going on. I don't live in Cambodia, have no desire to ever go there, and frankly don't give Cambodia a second thought (didn't they change the name to Campuchea?), but I at least heard the dude out. If the "elected leader" has been in office that long, then I seriously doubt there is going to be someone there to charge him or execute him for voter fraud. Perhaps he could take things into his own hands and have a revolution or something. Some would say that it is right and/or duty to do so.

    It is reasonable for you to ask for evidence, but if convictions are you sole measure of a problem, you are being narrow minded.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    The American fascination (fanatacism) with the death penalty sometimes seems to me similar to your fascination with reality TV or the human need to slow down and gawk at a big car accident as you drive by on the highway.

    That said, does anyone realistically think that even in America you could find 12 people sitting on a jury who are either so politically partisan on the offended side or so apolitically apathetic that they would condemn someone to death for trying to screw up an election? Or are you proposing that whomever is President could just drone blast them out of existence without a trial?
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    I consider vote fraud HIGH TREASON!
    You may consider that, but that's not what high treason is.

    High treason is treason to the country (as in, sell out the country to another, foreign and enemy element) by a member in a government office.

    Voter fraud, while dishonest, does not betray the country to foreign, hostile elements.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    I don't relate to this issue in the form it is being discussed.. I remember LBJ being famous for bringing the graveyard vote out in some counties in Texas. GWBush, the first torturer, having an election judicially decided by a partisan court. Richard Nixon shenanigans. Gerrymandering by both parties. Possible electronic vote-flipping by Corporate and Political players. But the "vote early, and vote often" seems to be a myth or urban legend in my real life experience, but I suspect ol' Rash Limpdick could register heavy decibel rants on any and all such myths. I don't see it as a real world problem at the one person, one vote level.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Voter fraud is cheating. Let's expand this for students cheating on tests, husbands cheating on wives (and visa versa), citizens cheating on their taxes, boxers throwing fights, Kids that have video game cheats on their computers, and the short change sales clerks.

    Kill 'em all. Let God sort them out.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You may consider that, but that's not what high treason is.

    High treason is treason to the country (as in, sell out the country to another, foreign and enemy element) by a member in a government office.

    Voter fraud, while dishonest, does not betray the country to foreign, hostile elements.
    Every member of the military, and every federal office holder, takes an oath of allegiance to the Constitution. To uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC.

    The DOMESTIC variety are the most dangerous. And subverting an election, and putting into office someone NOT duly elected by the people, is subversion and treason.

    The only reason vote fraud is NOT "high Treason, because THAT is a federal crime. Voter laws are the venue of the states. Breaking the law by causing fraudulent votes to be cast or counted, violates state code in the state it occurred, so no federal law has been broken.

    Until Kennedy was assassinated, there was no "need" for a federal "crime of assassination". Murder, in the state, was deemed sufficient.
    We, the American people, changed our mind and decided we needed a federal law.

    It's time to change our mind again, and make vote fraud a federal treasonous act, and a capital crime.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The American fascination (fanatacism) with the death penalty sometimes seems to me similar to your fascination with reality TV or the human need to slow down and gawk at a big car accident as you drive by on the highway.

    That said, does anyone realistically think that even in America you could find 12 people sitting on a jury who are either so politically partisan on the offended side or so apolitically apathetic that they would condemn someone to death for trying to screw up an election? Or are you proposing that whomever is President could just drone blast them out of existence without a trial?
    In some of the southern states, with "old fashioned" attitudes about capital punishment, (i'm old fashioned that way), we could probably find enough jurors to vote to LYNCH the miscreant!
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Nuthin like a good lynching huh?
    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    In some of the southern states, with "old fashioned" attitudes about capital punishment, (i'm old fashioned that way), we could probably find enough jurors to vote to LYNCH the miscreant!
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    Voter fraud is cheating. Let's expand this for students cheating on tests, husbands cheating on wives (and visa versa), citizens cheating on their taxes, boxers throwing fights, Kids that have video game cheats on their computers, and the short change sales clerks.

    Kill 'em all. Let God sort them out.

    Now YOU are cheating!

    Those are not the same magnitude of offense as election fraud.

    Our government officials aren't running in a popularity contest, or a beauty pagent as to whom has the best legs!
    They are running for powerful government offices that affect our citizens, and frequently people all around the world.

    Serious business. Levity is not appropriate!
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