View Poll Results: Do you support the death penalty for voter fraud?

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  • I'm a Democrat and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    0 0%
  • I'm a Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud

    3 3.09%
  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    6 6.19%
  • I'm a Democrat and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    18 18.56%
  • I'm a Republican and disapprove of the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    12 12.37%
  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    58 59.79%
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes you did. Here it is again

    Now you try to correct that error by moving the goalposts as follows

    Too bad for you that was not your original statement before you had to be corrected.
    I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point, but my statement was pointing out the end goal of voter fraud, not what is illegal about it, because that's what was relevant to the absurd point you were trying to make (which you now seem to have given up on). I really don't know how to spell it out for you any more clearly.

    The rest of your statement about how not discussing crime until it's been committed on a mass scale being "prudent" is just too laughable to take seriously.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point, but my statement was pointing out the end goal of voter fraud, not what is illegal about it, because that's what was relevant to the absurd point you were trying to make (which you now seem to have given up on). I really don't know how to spell it out for you any more clearly.

    The rest of your statement about how not discussing crime until it's been committed on a mass scale being "prudent" is just too laughable to take seriously.
    Now you are simply lying. I stated quite clearly that voter fraud is a crime and we have laws dealing with it.

    You seem to be getting very frustrated and are now resorting to these snide comments instead of doing the work and research necessary to build your case. That is both sad and illustrative of a larger point - namely that you have no case to substantiate.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Now you are simply lying. I stated quite clearly that voter fraud is a crime and we have laws dealing with it.

    You seem to be getting very frustrated and are now resorting to these snide comments instead of doing the work and research necessary to build your case. That is both sad and illustrative of a larger point - namely that you have no case to substantiate.
    Lying about what? Of course I'm frustrated, I've got a guy who clearly lost his point pages ago who's calling me a liar and demand that I "explain myself" to him. It's beyond rediculous. You took a simple comment that way out of context, and proceeded to drag it around like it means something.

    Your entire point was that it isn't valid to have a discussion about appropriate punishment for a crime until it's been committed on a mass scale. It wasn't a valid point, so you're just trying to drag the topic away from it and wind me up with accusations of lying instead. What case don't I have to substantiate? You have no idea what you're talking about or arguing against anymore, you're just being condescending for the sake of it. "Prudent" not to discuss something until it already happened? Again dude, I already posted the meaning of the word prudent as you evidently have no idea what it means. This is just absurd.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Lying about what?
    about this statement from you

    The rest of your statement about how not discussing crime until it's been committed on a mass scale being "prudent" is just too laughable to take seriously.
    The issue never has been about me not wanting to discuss crime.
    The issue never has been about me contending that we cannot discuss crime on a mass scale.

    The issue has been the ridiculous absurdity of proposing that we as a society drastically INCREASE the legal punishment for that crime by adopting the death penalty for a crime that is already punished with legal sanctions when no evidence has been presented warranting such a drastic change.

    That is the issue now and has been the issue that you play ostrich from hiding your head in the sand.

    I already posted the meaning of the word prudent as you evidently have no idea what it means. This is just absurd.
    Why is that an issue? I took no issue with the definition of the word prudent. In fact, I used part of it to illustrate why my approach was prudent. You need to go back and read instead of merely reacting and then attacking without cause.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    does voite fraud exist?
    People are caught at it and convicted.
    search "vote fraud convictions", generates more than 30 pages of links (that's as far as I punched NEXT).
    Are ALL guilty caught?
    I suspect only a tiny % are caught and/or convicted.
    Why do people vote illegally, twice or more, or in other peoples name?
    Obviously, THEY believe they are having an effect on the election.
    Is there a conspiracy of vote fraud? Do these people know each other, and are confident their combined efforts sway the election?
    I doubt most are in mutual contact, but I also suspect everyone involved in vote fraud has "friends" also involved in vote fraud.
    I can't believe people would go to the trouble of voting fraudulently, UNLESS they believed it was WORTH the effort!
    But even ONE fraudulent vote, robs ALL the American people! And is TREASON in my opinion!


    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So tell us then - how many people were convicted of voter fraud since the year 2000?
    I don't know and do not need to provide a number of convicted vote frauds since whenever.

    If that number is significant to you, do the research yourself.

    My point is, those DOING the vote fraud BELIEVE they are accomplishing their goals to steal elections.
    Otherwise, no one would bother.

    I say we need to inhibit vote fraud by the strongest possible means.

    But to clarify your stance, Do you support the death penalty for ANY crime?

    If you are against death penalty in ALL circumstances, then, certainly you won't see the justice in using it for the treason of vote fraud.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

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    I don't know and do not need to provide a number of convicted vote frauds since whenever.

    If that number is significant to you, do the research yourself.
    I have done the research and presented it right in this discussion. Here it is again - the most comprehensive study done recently on the topic

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/d...er%20Fraud.pdf

    It is called THE TRUTH ABOUT VOTER FRAUD. And the truth is there is previous little of it to report.

    They could have titled it MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING but they could not get the rights from Billy Shakespeare.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have done the research and presented it right in this discussion. Here it is again - the most comprehensive study done recently on the topic

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/d...er%20Fraud.pdf

    It is called THE TRUTH ABOUT VOTER FRAUD. And the truth is there is previous little of it to report.

    They could have titled it MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING but they could not get the rights from Billy Shakespeare.

    Vote fraud DOES occur.
    Current laws and punishment obviously are NOT sufficient deterrent, since it's NOT deterring those committing vote fraud.

    If only a few are guilty, as you contend, then we'd only execute a few.

    Now, if half the population was involved in vote fraud, and we were faced with needing mass executions, I'd say some further thought was needed.

    Then, I'd still probably conclude that I'd want to execute the traitors.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    Vote fraud DOES occur.
    Current laws and punishment obviously are NOT sufficient deterrent, since it's NOT deterring those committing vote fraud.
    Please present your data to support this conclusion.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have done the research and presented it right in this discussion. Here it is again - the most comprehensive study done recently on the topic

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/d...er%20Fraud.pdf

    It is called THE TRUTH ABOUT VOTER FRAUD. And the truth is there is previous little of it to report.

    They could have titled it MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING but they could not get the rights from Billy Shakespeare.


    I challenge the authors expertise. First, obvious from locale and sentiments expressed, he's very liberal. No surprise the liberals down play vote fraud as an important issue. We see it HERE.

    But to be specific, I quote a faulty logic, or narrow thinking in that article, on that authors part.


    "IV. Voter Fraud And The Press For Photo Id
    The most common example of the harm wrought by imprecise and inflated claims of “voter fraud” is the
    call for in-person photo identification requirements. Such photo ID laws are effective only in preventing
    individuals from impersonating other voters at the polls
    — an occurrence more rare than getting struck by
    lightning.16"

    Did he INTENTIONALLY omit voting in precincts where formerly resided as well as currently dwelling?

    Since purging voter rolls is discouraged, many voters are still on rolls at earlier addresses and a government issued picture ID would be difficult to obtain for multiple addresses and/or in multiple states.

    Apparently at least some vote fraud, is folks voting twice or more, in different precincts, as themself.

    Since this abuse did not occur to the articles author, I would say, the article is NOT substantive, NOT non-partisan, and NOT well researched, and not well thought.

    So much for your BEST source.

    But we don't need to decide if we will have voter IDs. It's ALREADY decided in 33 states.
    Let's see how that turns out in 2014.


    I expect other states to adopt IDs after 2014. The states where the citizens are FED UP with vote fraud.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    There is almost no voter fraud. The RW does not get beat in elections because of busloads of them people voting illegally. It just does not happen. It is extremely rare. There is absolutely no evidence it does. Find some evidence, real evidence someone can be convicted of in court in significant numbers I will believe you and stand down at my precient next election and watch for the bus. But the RW keeps this widespread myth alive to explain why most of the US understands the Republican party is out of touch. The OP has at least as much creditability siting the lack of evidence as evidence there is little fraud as the RW does making the accusations without evidence.
    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    I challenge the authors expertise. First, obvious from locale and sentiments expressed, he's very liberal. No surprise the liberals down play vote fraud as an important issue. We see it HERE.

    But to be specific, I quote a faulty logic, or narrow thinking in that article, on that authors part.


    "IV. Voter Fraud And The Press For Photo Id
    The most common example of the harm wrought by imprecise and inflated claims of “voter fraud” is the
    call for in-person photo identification requirements. Such photo ID laws are effective only in preventing
    individuals from impersonating other voters at the polls
    — an occurrence more rare than getting struck by
    lightning.16"

    Did he INTENTIONALLY omit voting in precincts where formerly resided as well as currently dwelling?

    Since purging voter rolls is discouraged, many voters are still on rolls at earlier addresses and a government issued picture ID would be difficult to obtain for multiple addresses and/or in multiple states.

    Apparently at least some vote fraud, is folks voting twice or more, in different precincts, as themself.

    Since this abuse did not occur to the articles author, I would say, the article is NOT substantive, NOT non-partisan, and NOT well researched, and not well thought.

    So much for your BEST source.
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