View Poll Results: Do you support the death penalty for voter fraud?

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  • I'm a Democrat and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    0 0%
  • I'm a Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud

    3 3.09%
  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    6 6.19%
  • I'm a Democrat and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    18 18.56%
  • I'm a Republican and disapprove of the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    12 12.37%
  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    58 59.79%
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Hold on there speedy. Once we have the number we can then evaluate if indeed we have any sort of significant problem that even merits consideration of action. That would be the conservative and prudent approach.
    And THEN you would propose different punishments based your evaluation of the number?

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If one person gets cancer and dies from it every year - it is only a problem for that person and their family and close friends. If hundreds of thousands of people get cancer and die every year it becomes a national issue with significant numbers to prove it.

    The same is true for a measurement of almost everything that one believes is a national problem which needs some sort of action or law to deal with it.

    The fact is that your own tactics here - and the inability of your side to quantify this so called problem - is a loud and clear admission that you have no such national problem that requires any sort of serious solution.
    This isn't cancer, because it's intentional. Murder, rape, or other current criminal offenses would be better comparisons. You don't wait until millions of people are being murdered or raped to decide what punnishment is appropriate for such crimes.

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    That would be the conservative and prudent approach.
    Conservative and prudent to wait until after multiple serious criminal offenses have been committed before discussing how they should be dealt with? Do you know what "prudent" actually means?
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    And once you know the number, you would then propose different penalties based on that number?
    Once voter fraud hits .5% of the total votes cast in an election, then a certain someone would evaluate the penalties. Some people don't deal in hypothetical questions but want to be conservative and prudent. In the meantime, voter fraud is presumed to be at best a misdemeanor--no harm, no foul and if the referee doesn't see it, then no foul either.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Some people don't deal in hypothetical questions but want to be conservative and prudent
    Yet again I ask, what on earth is conservative or prudent about waiting until after a serious crime has been committed on a mass scale before even discussing what appropriate punishment would be? Seriously, get a dictionary, look up the word "prudent", and tell me how it has any relevance what so ever to your stance on the issue. The the complete and utter opposite of prudent.
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Yet again I ask, what on earth is conservative or prudent about waiting until after a serious crime has been committed on a mass scale before even discussing what appropriate punishment would be? Seriously, get a dictionary, look up the word "prudent", and tell me how it has any relevance what so ever to your stance on the issue. The the complete and utter opposite of prudent.
    Don't ask me, I'm the one for advocating the death penalty for destroying a sun in an uninhabited solar system. Why wait until it happens?

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Don't ask me, I'm the one for advocating the death penalty for destroying a sun in an uninhabited solar system. Why wait until it happens?
    Voter fraud is an attempt to change the outcome of an election. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be any point in doing it. The percentages you speak of are only relevant to how successful the criminal was in their efforts to conspire with other criminals.

    Once again to be clear, I hate democracy in its current form, I think it's abhorrent, but seizing power by fraudulent means is even worse.
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    This isn't cancer, because it's intentional. Murder, rape, or other current criminal offenses would be better comparisons. You don't wait until millions of people are being murdered or raped to decide what punnishment is appropriate for such crimes.


    Conservative and prudent to wait until after multiple serious criminal offenses have been committed before discussing how they should be dealt with? Do you know what "prudent" actually means?
    One can quickly and easily demonstrate, illustrate and prove harm in an act of murder simply by pointing to the deceased and the resulting loss that the crime caused.

    One can quickly and easily demonstrate, illustrate and prove harm in an act of rape simply by talking to the victim and the resulting pain, suffering, and types of damage that the victim suffers from the crime.

    Neither is theoretical. Neither is in the abstract. Neither has to be done on a fairly large scale to have a negative impact or effect.

    We do deal with voter fraud in both a conservative and prudent way. There are laws against it and people are prosecuted for it. We are NOT waiting for multiple offenses before dealing with it and for you to float that absurdity shows how little you seem to know about this issue.

    Can you do the same with your charges of voter fraud? Please do.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Voter fraud is an attempt to change the outcome of an election.
    That definition could also apply to a variety of legal campaign activities including making speeches, kissing babies, debating, distributing materials, door to door visits, advertising in media outlets and all sorts of other perfectly fine and good activities.

    Try again please.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    And THEN you would propose different punishments based your evaluation of the number?
    When we reach that reality, I can properly evaluate it and give you a definitive answer.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That definition could also apply to a variety of legal campaign activities including making speeches, kissing babies, debating, distributing materials, door to door visits, advertising in media outlets and all sorts of other perfectly fine and good activities.

    Try again please.
    Voter fraud has two parts to it, your irrelevant examples only speak to the second which isn't illegal by itself. It's the fraud part that's specifically illegal.
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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