View Poll Results: Do you support the death penalty for voter fraud?

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  • I'm a Democrat and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    0 0%
  • I'm a Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud

    3 3.09%
  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    6 6.19%
  • I'm a Democrat and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    18 18.56%
  • I'm a Republican and disapprove of the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    12 12.37%
  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    58 59.79%
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    No, the issue is that it contradicts itself. Like you said, some passages claiming one thing (like "I'm not here to change the laws of the old testament") and other passages that directly contradict it (like saving adulterers from stoning, despite it being in line with old testament law).

    In either case, Jesus was very explicit that people should follow the rules from the old testament and that he wasn't there to replace them. Those laws included the death penalty.


    Bam what? Did you bump into something?
    Did you read the rest of what I wrote? and the link and all.
    Jesus contradicted himself too. by saving adulters he violated the "old testament law" .

    so yeah. it's a mixed bag

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    In my opinion? No, I believe that's your opinion.
    So you believe proposing the death penalty for a non capital crime in which no persons life was taken or even harmed and then failing to demonstrate that it is indeed a national problem which requires such a drastic and severe sanction is perfectly rational and stands as an idea without any further documentation?

    You are simply being pedantic. The right wing has gotten its posterior handed to them every time this subject comes up when the question is simply posed - CAN YOU IDENTIFY THE ACTUAL EXTENT OF VOTER FRAUD IN AMERICA? every time that happens you folks on the right end up looking silly since the numbers of convictions are so tiny that the numbers make you look foolish.

    So now you guys avoid this like the plague knowing it is your achilles heel.

    The most extensive report on the subject shows how ridiculous this right wing cause celebre is

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/d...er%20Fraud.pdf
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Did you read the rest of what I wrote? and the link and all.
    Jesus contradicted himself too. by saving adulters he violated the "old testament law" .

    so yeah. it's a mixed bag
    Exactly, and that mixed bag includes the death penalty, so it isn't inherently unchristian.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you believe proposing the death penalty for a non capital crime in which no persons life was taken or even harmed and then failing to demonstrate that it is indeed a national problem which requires such a drastic and severe sanction is perfectly rational and stands as an idea without any further documentation?
    No, I was simply pointing out that the OP didn't write anything about the frequency of voter fraud.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    No, I was simply pointing out that the OP didn't write anything about the frequency of voter fraud.
    I can see what you wrote.

    Now I am asking you a question based on what you wrote.

    So you believe proposing the death penalty for a non capital crime in which no persons life was taken or even harmed and then failing to demonstrate that it is indeed a national problem which requires such a drastic and severe sanction is perfectly rational and stands as an idea without any further documentation?
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I can see what you wrote.

    Now I am asking you a question based on what you wrote.

    So you believe proposing the death penalty for a non capital crime in which no persons life was taken or even harmed and then failing to demonstrate that it is indeed a national problem which requires such a drastic and severe sanction is perfectly rational and stands as an idea without any further documentation?
    My opinion is yes, I think it's possible to consider the punishment for an act based on the act itself, independent of the frequency with which the act may or may not be committed.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Exactly, and that mixed bag includes the death penalty, so it isn't inherently unchristian.
    But as I pointed out, 2 out of the 3 main Christian Churches, after much deliberation, agreed that the New testament promoted mercy and that the death sentence is Unchristian. Only the Catholic Church is still divided on the subject. So the death penalty is unchristian if people whose entire life is dedicated towards the Bible say it is so. So it's unchristian.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    My opinion is yes, I think it's possible to consider the punishment for an act based on the act itself, independent of the frequency with which the act may or may not be committed.
    And in this case the act itself merits the death penalty in your opinion?
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And in this case the act itself merits the death penalty in your opinion?
    No, in my opinion it doesn't.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    1 yr in the slammer, and forfeit the right to vote in ANY election for the rest of your life.

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