View Poll Results: Do you support the death penalty for voter fraud?

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  • I'm a Democrat and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

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  • I'm a Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud

    3 3.09%
  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    6 6.19%
  • I'm a Democrat and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    18 18.56%
  • I'm a Republican and disapprove of the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    12 12.37%
  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    58 59.79%
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    If voter fraud becomes a capital crime...then I think that the next time my neighbor's kid chases after a runaway football into my yard, I get to use deadly force on the little booger machine.
    Didn't Clint Eastwood do that in a movie a few years ago?
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I see. So in your opinion there was an implication. Well, I can't control what you infer from what others write.

    However, the fact remains that the OP made no statement regarding the frequency of voter fraud. If you disagree, please provide the quote of the OP.
    Actually, the writer does indeed clearly control that. That is why they equated the harsh penalty for a capital crime with the relative minor league offense of individual voter fraud.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    Simply searching "guilty of vote fraud found dozens of links pages like this first one.

    Democrat Mayor’s Campaign Worker Guilty of Voter Fraud ...
    ... mayor’s re-election campaign in 2011 has agreed to plea guilty to three counts of vote fraud in Jennings County Circuit Court on ...
    specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2013/05/30/democrat... - Cached

    Democrat Legislator Guilty of Felony Voter Fraud – Reduced ...
    UnPoliticallyCorrect! (by UnPoliticallyCorrect) ... January 2, 2013 **The real travesty here is that this “pillar of society” will be permitted to run ...
    specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2013/05/30/democrat... - Cached

    Ex-lawmaker pleads guilty to vote fraud - WLFI.com ...
    VERNON, Ind. (AP) - A southern Indiana judge sentenced a former state representative to 18 months after the defendant pleaded guilty to three counts of vote fraud ...
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    Hamilton County poll worker found guilty of voter fraud
    A Hamilton County poll worker accused of voter fraud was found guilty for illegal voting in ... Mailing in a ballot registering to vote at a precinct after you've ...
    http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_n...on-county-poll... - Cached

    Guilty Of Voter Fraud - Video Results
    ACORN GUILTY OF VOTER FRAUD!!!!.Play VideoACORN GUILTY OF VOTER FRAUD!!!!Indiana Secretary of State found guilty of voter fraud.Play VideoIndiana Secretary of State found guilty of voter fraudU.S. Guilty of Voter Fraud.Play VideoU.S. Guilty of Voter FraudElection official guilty of voter fraud.Play VideoElection official guilty of voter fraudGuilty Of Voter Fraud.Play VideoGuilty Of Voter FraudElection official guilty of voter fraud.Play VideoElection official guilty of voter fraudMore Guilty Of Voter Fraud videos »
    Ex-Ind. lawmaker pleads guilty to vote fraud | www ...
    A former state representative and Democratic campaign consultant from southern Indiana was sentenced to nine months in jail and nine months' probation Wednesday after ...
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    Poll worker convicted of voting fraud | Cincinnati.com ...
    Nun pleads guilty to voter fraud; escapes prison; Hamilton County Board of Elections widens probe; Nun resigns after vote fraud accusation;
    news.cincinnati.com/.../Poll-worker-convicted-voting-fraud - Cached

    Obama Supporter Found Guilty Of Multiple Counts Of Voter ...
    Melowese Richardson has already admitted that she committed voter fraud to help Barack Obama get elected. “Yes, I voted twice,” Richardson told WCPO-TV.
    Obama Supporter Found Guilty Of Multiple Counts Of Voter Fraud In Ohio | Right Wing News... - Cached

    Barnum woman guilty of voter fraud | Duluth News Tribune ...
    Published May 11, 2013, 09:21 AM Barnum woman guilty of voter fraud Shawn Marie Kaarbo of Barnum pleaded guilty in Carlton County Court last Wednesday to one count ...
    http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/eve...icle/id/266840 - Cached

    Voter Fraud Is a Proven Election Manipulation Tactic | Debate ...
    Probably not, since the Lincoln County auditor was also found guilty of voter fraud in 2005. [See photos of Wisconsin Voters Heading to the Polls]
    Is Voter Fraud a Real Problem? | Debate Club | US News Opinion... - Cached

    Missouri lawmaker’s uncle pleads guilty in KC vote fraud ...
    In August 2010, Missouri House candidate John Joseph Rizzo defeated his Democratic primary opponent, Will Royster, by a single vote. On Monday, Rizzo’s uncle John ...
    http://www.kansascity.com/2013/05/13...ouri-lawmakers... - Cached
    And these few anecdotes are suppose to provide a rational substitute for an accurate count of voter fraud that occurred over the exact same time period that these incidents did?
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Uh, what? I've never in my life heard anyone claim that "Christianity begins at the new testament". Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law". It's very explicit about the whole thing. Jews believe in the old testament, Christians believe in the original and the sequel. I honestly never even thought for a moment that I'd ever end up debating that, it's simple well documented fact.
    What Jesus more specifically said was something along the lines: I didn't come to undo my father's work. Meaning, he didn't come to revert the Original sin. When humans are born, we are born with the Original sin.. and through baptism we get rid of it. His preachings however were quite different and lead to a new religion. if he had just preached the same old same old, it would have been more on the lines of:
    -You, you and you, **** off or else I'm going to drown you all or throw pestilence and ruin your cities. Now piss off will ya?

    But it wasn't along the lines of that now was it?

    That's why the jews rejected him.

    Nope, they frequently do it through brutal violence and occasionally murder.
    Yes, because they don't know how to vote. Their method of electing their group leader is by beating the snot out of each other. That's their "democracy". We have bigger brains, can read and write, and have developed more ways of changing our leadership, one of them being democracy. Again, it's not treason. There is no such thing as treason in the animal kingdom.

    The new boss is the more popular one he gets more support and wins over the old one. Just like the vikings did long ago.

    It's an attempt at being a traitor. You're simply giving an example where voter fraud is unsuccessful in its end goal.

    You people confuse the hell out of me. I despise representitive democracy with every fiber of my being, it is the root of all modern political oppression, so why does it seem like I'm the only one who thinks a government who comes to power through fraud is even worse than a democratically elected government? How come you scream about how great democracy is, but when people try to pervert it to seize power, you talk about it like it's some victimless crime?

    You need to get some consistency in your arguments. This whole thing is weak.
    No, it's not an attempt at being a traitor.

    I am not portraying voter fraud as a victimless crime. I am portraying it as NOT BEING TREASON. It's not a black and white situation. There are many nuances to each and every notion and if you start lumping them up together, you will get a horrible, horrible situation.

    Also, I've been nothing but consistent in my arguments. I just don't know how else to talk to you to get the message across. It's not a complicated message.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually, the writer does indeed clearly control that. That is why they equated the harsh penalty for a capital crime with the relative minor league offense of individual voter fraud.
    Yes, I understand that this is what you think.

    However, the fact of the matter is that the OP wrote nothing about the frequency of voter fraud.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Didn't Clint Eastwood do that in a movie a few years ago?
    Well, it does look like a few in DP would support that. So I guess Draconian Law would be great from some people. I'm not one of those people.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    What Jesus more specifically said was something along the lines: I didn't come to undo my father's work. Meaning, he didn't come to revert the Original sin. When humans are born, we are born with the Original sin.. and through baptism we get rid of it. His preachings however were quite different and lead to a new religion. if he had just preached the same old same old, it would have been more on the lines of:
    -You, you and you, **** off or else I'm going to drown you all or throw pestilence and ruin your cities. Now piss off will ya?
    The old testament is supposedly the word of God, and the new testament is supposedly the word of Jesus. You can't claim to be a Christian by believing in one but not the other, it just doesn't make any sense at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05
    Also, I've been nothing but consistent in my arguments. I just don't know how else to talk to you to get the message across. It's not a complicated message.
    Sorry but you are being inconsistent. You claim that if they succeed at changing the course of the election through fraud then it's treason, but if they are unsuccessful then it isn't attempted treason. That is as inconsistent as something so simple could ever be.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    The old testament is supposedly the word of God, and the new testament is supposedly the word of Jesus. You can't claim to be a Christian by believing in one but not the other, it just doesn't make any sense at all.




    Trying to change the outcome of a democratic election through fraudulent means to seize power isn't an attempt at treachery? So what is?
    Jesus is God. They are one and the same. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. And I am not rejecting the old testament, I am simply stating the obvious: if you live by the old testament, you're not a Christian, you're a jew. if you live by the new Testament, you are. Sure, knowing the old testament is important, but sticking by the teachings in the New Testament is the truth.

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    This line of discussion is getting real tedious by now. I'm not discussing whether voter fraud is treachery, I'm discussing whether it's treason. And it's not. And I already said my part on the subject.

    Voted fraud is voter fraud.
    Treason is treason.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Voted fraud is voter fraud.
    Treason is treason.
    "trea·son noun \ˈtrē-zən\

    Definition of TREASON

    1
    : the betrayal of a trust : treachery
    2
    : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family"

    Attempting to overthrow legitimate government through voter fraud is treason. It might not suit your definitions, but I'm going by what the dictionary says.

    As for the religious thing, it's just silly, Christians believe in both the old and new testament. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone try to claim otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05
    I'm not discussing whether voter fraud is treachery, I'm discussing whether it's treason.
    lol? They are the same thing.....
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    "trea·son noun \ˈtrē-zən\

    Definition of TREASON

    1
    : the betrayal of a trust : treachery
    2
    : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family"

    Attempting to overthrow legitimate government through voter fraud is treason. It might not suit your definitions, but I'm going by what the dictionary says.

    As for the religious thing, it's just silly, Christians believe in both the old and new testament. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone try to claim otherwise.


    lol? They are the same thing.....
    Not quite. Treachery sounds less pompous than treason. And treachery can mean all varied kinds of betrayal of trust... treason is directly aimed towards betraying the trust of the people (the people are sovereign in a democracy).

    I am not here to convince you. Debating is about the exchange of opinions and ideas. I said my piece.

    Again, Christians believe in both the Old and the new testament but to be a Christian you need to follow the teachings of Jesus in the New testament, not the teachings of the old testament. The Old testament is like a prologue in a novel that sets the background so you know in what universe the story is taking part. The New Testament is the entirety of the story, contents and ending. You don't love a book because the prologue is interesting, you love it because the main story with the characters in it is involving and interesting and presents itself properly.

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