View Poll Results: Do you support the death penalty for voter fraud?

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  • I'm a Democrat and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    0 0%
  • I'm a Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud

    3 3.09%
  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    6 6.19%
  • I'm a Democrat and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    18 18.56%
  • I'm a Republican and disapprove of the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    12 12.37%
  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    58 59.79%
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Every rational, compassionate human being would agree that voter fraud ought to be punished by castration and/or winter vacations in Belarus.
    What if a woman does it?
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Wasn't there some voter registration fraud going on with ACORN?
    I don't know about other places, but the ACORN issues we had here were concerned with bad voter registration forms, not illegal voting. Our Board of Elections caught the problem and brought it to light in their standard duties of checking and putting people who file voter registration forms on the roster. If the Board of Elections is doing their job correctly, and apparently they are, then none of those illegal registrations ever make it to the roster.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    For those seeking such evidence, define the criteria that would be accepted as evidence. What quantity is necessary for voter fraud to be considered an issue to be considered and what definition of voter fraud is being used?

    Good questions.

    1 - Let us see what the level of the problem is through an objective and verifiable measurement of the actual problem of voter fraud. The only way I know of to identify it having occurred is through convictions for voter fraud.

    2 - Take the number of voter fraud convinctions and compare it to the total votes cast during that same measurable time period. Do the math.

    3 - I would say that if we see a level of voter fraud at the level of even one half of one percent - a very small and tiny number - I would agree that it is a problem that we should look at.
    I came up with one-half of one percent since that seems to match the level of Libertarian Party support for their candidate for President of the USA over the last few election cycles.
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Well that reduced a lot of wasted time. I found one estimate that had 126,000,000 people voting in the last election. .5% of that number is 630,000, so that means for there to be a significant amount of voter fraud in order to do anything there has to be at least 630,000 convictions. Of course, we don't know what criteria is used to define criteria. I saw another site that said that 2.8 million people were registered in two different states. That certainly doesn't mean they did anything illegal, but then we all should be sure that there weren't a significant number.

    It saves so much time to not worry about details when you can't even agree about the criteria for evaluating the details.

    For the record, if the whole country were given Vulcan mind melds to determine that no one had committed voter fraud, I would still want an ID to be able to vote in the same way I want everyone to have an ID in order to fly.

    If they scrapped all the requirements to vote (age, citizenship, etc.) and anyone who showed up could vote, I would still want a mechanism to ensure that a person only voted once. Someone would still complain that it was discriminatory against those who don't have fingers to put ink on.

    Death penalty? Again, no.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So that we can properly gauge this situation, can you tell us the number of actual election fraud convictions in the last election cycle?
    The OP is not making any claims about any situation.

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    The OP is not making any claims about any situation.
    Obviously if one suggests a severe sanction like the death penalty for a specific crime there is the implicit suggestion that this is a serious problem and demands strong action.

    Otherwise, why suggest such a harsh legal penalty if there is no problem?
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Obviously if one suggests a severe sanction like the death penalty for a specific crime there is the implicit suggestion that this is a serious problem and demands strong action.
    Is your assertion that there is an implicit suggestion based upon your own personal beliefs, or do you have verifiable evidence that such a suggestion implies a serious problem?

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't know about other places, but the ACORN issues we had here were concerned with bad voter registration forms, not illegal voting. Our Board of Elections caught the problem and brought it to light in their standard duties of checking and putting people who file voter registration forms on the roster. If the Board of Elections is doing their job correctly, and apparently they are, then none of those illegal registrations ever make it to the roster.
    How did they catch the problem?

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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Is your assertion that there is an implicit suggestion based upon your own personal beliefs, or do you have verifiable evidence that such a suggestion implies a serious problem?
    Well, if somebody says that a non-capital crime should be treated with the ultimate penalty of death, I would think that you would have to be the freakin village idiot NOT to conclude that the person believes that there is a serious problem there that needs that type of drastic action. So the next logical question is , what evidence do you have that there is this serious problem in the first place?
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    Re: Death penalty for voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Well, if somebody says that a non-capital crime should be treated with the ultimate penalty of death
    He didn't say it should be. He asked whether people thought it should be.

    , I would think that you would have to be the freakin village idiot NOT to conclude that the person believes that there is a serious problem there that needs that type of drastic action.
    And, as I said before, he made no statement as to the prevalence of the problem, so your question about actual convictions is irrelevant to his question.

    So the next logical question is , what evidence do you have that there is this serious problem in the first place?
    Neither I nor the OP are making any assertions about the prevalence of voter fraud. Therefore your question about prevalence is irrelevant.

    The OP is asking a question about the punishment for a crime. He did not make any assertions about the prevalence of that crime.

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