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Institutional Racism [W:344]

Does institutional racism currently exist in America?


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You to, please read up on what AA/EO actually is, you learn alot.

Dont buy into the hyperbole and lies, just becasue some idiot says they hired someone based on AA/EO doesnt make it true lol
 
they dont do that :shrug:
AA/EO is about equal OPPORTUNITY
not employment or hiring

now if a company is found guilty of wrong doings then they may be forced to diversify but only after they are already breaking the law

One leads to the other don't you think? If two applicants have the same OPPORTUNITY and the same qualifications but the white cantidate is chosen, then racism will be charged.
 
oh goodness gracious, I know you dont fully understand AA/EO but do you not know how it works and what it does at all?

In the US AA refers to equal opportunity employment measures. This measures help prevent discriminating against employees on the basis of race, sex, creed, religion, color, or national origin. ALso five more recent statutes have listed other traits as "protected classes:
The Age Discrimination Act has protected those aged 40 and over
The Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 protects individuals who possess, or are thought to possess, a wide range of disabilities, ranging from paraplegia to Down Syndrome to autism.
The Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008 forbids discrimination on the basis of family history and genetic information.[5]
The Vietnam Era Veterans Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974 forbids discrimination on the grounds of a worker's military history, including any effects that the battlefield might have had on the worker's psyche.
Twelve states, over one hundred local governments, and the District of Columbia[6] have passed statutes that forbid discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation; also, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act would allegedly make sexuality a protected class, but this bill has yet to pass Congress.

I can also give you many links if you like.

I know this is hypotrhetical but,

what do you think would happen if a black rapper was interviewing for 5 back up dancers and 20 White guys auditions and 5 black guys. Who do you think would get the job?
 
I know this is hypotrhetical but,

what do you think would happen if a black rapper was interviewing for 5 back up dancers and 20 White guys auditions and 5 black guys. Who do you think would get the job?

Not sure if that is a good parallel. Because you also have to look at the odds of which individuals will have the skill sets the rapper is looking for. Even if you could film each one and digitally eliminate all racial traits, the 5 black guys might still have the superior skills. Yet that would still appear as if race was the preference.
 
no it doesnt "allow" that
it doesnt allow anything

if it doesn't allow anything...then why does it exist? :lamo

face it, brah... AA allows a minority applicant to be hired if he is qualified for the job, even though there may be better qualified non-minority applicants. A minority doesn't have to be the best...he just has to be qualified.
 
Not sure if that is a good parallel. Because you also have to look at the odds of which individuals will have the skill sets the rapper is looking for. Even if you could film each one and digitally eliminate all racial traits, the 5 black guys might still have the superior skills. Yet that would still appear as if race was the preference.

We are assuming they are each equally qualified.

Blacks do not inherently dance better tan whites.
 
Most of the time prosecuted illegal discrimination is verified by testing the suspect company by having several candidates of different races (or other types of groups) with histories that are equal, or the minority person is more qualified, apply for the same jobs, loans etc. That provides proof that the company discriminates by race rather than any other objective criteria.

And what is the most common outcome?
 
We are assuming they are each equally qualified.

Blacks do not inherently dance better tan whites.

Inherently, no. But you have to admit that the odds will be against the whites, at least as far as the music video style will go. Even so, depending on the theme of the video/song (they don't always seem to match) the blacks might still have the advantage simply because of the look the video producer is looking for.
 
One leads to the other don't you think? If two applicants have the same OPPORTUNITY and the same qualifications but the white candidate is chosen, then racism will be charged.

only on tv and in hyperbolic opinion

in reality while false racism charges do exist they arent rampant and if AA/EO is being practiced they are meaningless. How do the two candidates now they were 100% equal again? and how often are two candidates 100% equal?

the safest way is to practice AA/EO and not to practice unfair hiring practices
 
I know this is hypotrhetical but,

what do you think would happen if a black rapper was interviewing for 5 back up dancers and 20 White guys auditions and 5 black guys. Who do you think would get the job?

huh?

I think you are saying a black rapper is looking for 5 back up dancers
25 people are auditioning for the five spots
20 are white, 5 are black

and you want to know who i think gets the 5 spots?


I have no idea, who are the best dancers, are they touring or doing a video, whats the message/theme or story of the song.

I have no idea lol theres no logic to support a guess.
 
1.) if it doesn't allow anything...then why does it exist? :lamo

2.)face it, brah... AA allows a minority applicant to be hired if he is qualified for the job, even though there may be better qualified non-minority applicants.
3.) A minority doesn't have to be the best...he just has to be qualified.

1.)it doesnt allow anything in regards to HIRING :shrug:- remove unwanted stones
2.) lol theres nothing to face, thats factually not true, by definition thats 100% false
3.) this maybe true for some companies but those companies are not practicing AA/EO
 
Yeah, you said that.

yep and im still waiting for you to present anything that changes that , so far you've presented nothing
 
Yes, but not in the way people always think. I think holding minorities to a defacto lower standard of performance/expectation whether it comes to academics, college admissions or public assistance programs creates a negative feedback loop of sorts that causes a great many minorities to have lower expectations for themselves. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You could also argue it cultivates racism by giving others a codified metric to point to or internalize when considering the inferiority or 'otherness' of minorities e.g. 'They are dumber, that is why we have to give them special assistance'.
 
You could also argue it cultivates racism by giving others a codified metric to point to or internalize when considering the inferiority or 'otherness' of minorities e.g. 'They are dumber, that is why we have to give them special assistance'.

Sure, that was part of the expectations part but you say it prettier. :) It really amazes me that how patronizing even the left's rhetoric is toward blacks when it comes to welfare and they never discuss black crime seriously unless it involves blaming the courts for giving them longer sentences or people for not giving them more money as if they are incapable of exercising any personal responsibility.
 
You could also argue it cultivates racism by giving others a codified metric to point to or internalize when considering the inferiority or 'otherness' of minorities e.g. 'They are dumber, that is why we have to give them special assistance'.

That leads me to another point. These laws were made for equality purposes when things like segregating and discrimination were much more prevalent. We don't really have these problems anymore for the most part (except for perhaps small pockets). That is one reason why these kinds of laws just perpetuate racism, discrimination and hard feelings.
 
You could also argue it cultivates racism by giving others a codified metric to point to or internalize when considering the inferiority or 'otherness' of minorities e.g. 'They are dumber, that is why we have to give them special assistance'.

and this argument would fall right on its face since AA/EO factually gives no special assistance to anybody but ensures equality for everyone.

Who does it gibe special assistance too? since it makes sure that men, women, religions, races, ages, people with disabilities etc all get an opportunity
 
That leads me to another point. These laws were made for equality purposes when things like segregating and discrimination were much more prevalent. We don't really have these problems anymore for the most part (except for perhaps small pockets). That is one reason why these kinds of laws just perpetuate racism, discrimination and hard feelings.

and those people feeling that way would be wrong an uneducated.
 
and those people feeling that way would be wrong an uneducated.

Not true. Some people might feel that way after being passed over for a job because of their skin color.
 
I know this is hypotrhetical but,

what do you think would happen if a black rapper was interviewing for 5 back up dancers and 20 White guys auditions and 5 black guys. Who do you think would get the job?

Yes, if I was a white male and I applied for a job a business owned by an African American, who seemed to only employ other African Americans, what kind of special recourse would I have?

Why are there special laws written on the basis of race/gender. That is the epitome of discrimination.
 
Not true. Some people might feel that way after being passed over for a job because of their skin color.

yeah, it tends to piss you off when you go in and apply for a job with a guy you went to HS with and you know you have more education and more experience than he does and he gets the job simply because he is a minority.
 
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