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Institutional Racism [W:344]

Does institutional racism currently exist in America?

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AGENT J said:
1.) I agree 100% , good thing AA/EO factually does not do that
2.) i agree
3.) I agree
4.) 100% false, by definition that impossible

again you simply dont understand what AA/EO actually is
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It does though. Inadvertently that is exactly what it does. Like others have said, not to say the original intentions weren't good, but there have been unintended consequences.
 
AGENT J said:
recent years? you mean in 1978 when qoutas were outlawed

sorry maybe tyou should read the thread and OP, it ask about CURRENT times 1977 isnt exactly current times

like i said facts already prove her statement false
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My point is, it still continues to happen. There have been recent court cases since that era. the law is written OK, but when an activist group see something they don't like, they complain. It's bad for business. Quotas, to some degree, then end up being forced anyway.

Do you seriously think the items we hear in the news of such racial inequity in employment doesn't have an effect, caused by fear of being the next target?
 
ChrisL said:
It does though. Inadvertently that is exactly what it does. Like others have said, not to say the original intentions weren't good, but there have been unintended consequences.
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and inadvertently there are cops that break the law to enforce the law. That doesnt make it law enforcement.

anybody inadvertently using qoutas is factually not practicing AA/EO, this isnt a hard concept.
 
AGENT J said:
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and inadvertently there are cops that break the law to enforce the law. That doesnt make it law enforcement.

anybody inadvertently using qoutas is factually not practicing AA/EO, this isnt a hard concept.
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The point is that AA inadvertently encourages such practices. Are you denying that?
 
Lord of Planar said:
1.)My point is, it still continues to happen.
2.)There have been recent court cases since that era. the law is written OK, but when an activist group see something they don't like, they complain.
3.) It's bad for business.
4.) Quotas, to some degree, then end up being forced anyway.
5.) Do you seriously think the items we hear in the news of such racial inequity in employment doesn't have an effect, caused by fear of being the next target?
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1.) yes i agree some people do practice unfiar hiring processes and that is NOT AA/EO its thier own made up system
2.) correct, why were there court cases? because they were breaking the law and they were not practicing AA/EO
3.) no its not bad for business, its bad for those stupid enough to break the law
4.) no they are not
5.) im sure it does, stupid people are effected by lots of things

just to be clear on the facts im pointing out

im not denying some people use race to do hiring and they "CALL IT" AA/EO. This in deed does happen.

But the fact remains is as soon as they do that they are not practicing AA/EO.
 
ChrisL said:
1.)The point is that AA inadvertently encourages such practices. Are you denying that?
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1.)no it doesnt "encourage" them since they people caught doing that are breaking the law and have been convicted of such.
2.) yes, 100% i am

do people use qoutas? yes, they are idiots because once they do they are factually breaking the law

think about how stupid that is, if you are practicing AA/EO you are safe and NOT breaking the law, once you use a qoutas now you are unsafe, you are breaking the law and NOT practicing AA/EO.

MORONS do that, just like morons that are effected by all types of propaganda and squeaky wheel hyperbole.
 
AGENT J said:
1.)no it doesnt "encourage" them since they people caught doing that are breaking the law and have been convicted of such.
2.) yes, 100% i am

do people use qoutas? yes, they are idiots because once they do they are factually breaking the law

think about how stupid that is, if you are practicing AA/EO you are safe and NOT breaking the law, once you use a qoutas now you are unsafe, you are breaking the law and NOT practicing AA/EO.

MORONS do that, just like morons that are effected by all types of propaganda and squeaky wheel hyperbole.
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Goodness, there are plenty of businesses that do just that and are never caught. :roll: Perhaps some businesses do it correctly, but there are plenty of others that do not. Not to mention, denying a person a job on the basis of their race or religion is illegal anyways. I really don't see a need to have AA anymore in today's day and age. It just promotes racism IMO.
 
AGENT J said:
im not denying some people use race to do hiring and they "CALL IT" AA/EO. This in deed does happen.

But the fact remains is as soon as they do that they are not practicing AA/EO.
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So in the end, we agree.
 
ChrisL said:
1.)Goodness, there are plenty of businesses that do just that and are never caught. :roll:
2.)Perhaps some businesses do it correctly, but there are plenty of others that do not.
3.) Not to mention, denying a person a job on the basis of their race or religion is illegal anyways.
4.)I really don't see a need to have AA anymore in today's day and age.
4.) It just promotes racism IMO.
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1.) im sure there are, they are morons
2.) yes i bet this is true also, there are bad cops, judges etc too :shrug:
3.) yes it is
4.) because it helps protect the rights of ALL OF US by definition and stats wise it helps white males more than anybody, of course this is because they are the majority but its still who benefits the most.
5.) no it doesn't, it supports equality, NOT PRACTICING IT promotes racism
 
AGENT J said:
1.) im sure there are, they are morons
2.) yes i bet this is true also, there are bad cops, judges etc too :shrug:
3.) yes it is
4.) because it helps protect the rights of ALL OF US by definition and stats wise it helps white males more than anybody, of course this is because they are the majority but its still who benefits the most.
5.) no it doesn't, it supports equality, NOT PRACTICING IT promotes racism
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LOL! I think most white males would tend to disagree with you. I don't see how it supports equality when it gives preference (obviously) to one race or gender over another. Don't forget, I am a female, so AA supposedly protects me too. I don't see it though.
 
ChrisL said:
1.)LOL! I think most white males would tend to disagree with you.
2.) I don't see how it supports equality when it gives preference (obviously) to one race or gender over another.
3.)Don't forget, I am a female, so AA supposedly protects me too.
4.)I don't see it though.
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1.) they can disagree all they want but they would simply be misinformed and they simply are among the people that dont know what AA/EO FACTUALLY is. They are SHEEP that arent educated and by into the propganda.

anybody that understands what AA/EO actually is gets it.
You know its helps out VETS and DISABLED people a great deal right?


its only the misinformed that think it only deals with race LMAO

2.) because that is not what it does, you are part of the misinformed

3/) yes it does

4.) you personally dont have to see it. I personally have never seen it do anything for me that i know of but that doesnt me it doesnt do its job.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) they can disagree all they want but they would simply be misinformed and they simply are among the people that dont know what AA/EO FACTUALLY is. They are SHEEP that arent educated and by into the propganda.

anybody that understands what AA/EO actually is gets it.
You know its helps out VETS and DISABLED people a great deal right?


its only the misinformed that think it only deals with race LMAO

2.) because that is not what it does, you are part of the misinformed

3/) yes it does

4.) you personally dont have to see it. I personally have never seen it do anything for me that i know of but that doesnt me it doesnt do its job.
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I disagree. I think programs like this encourage businesses and schools to accept, hire and promote based on race and gender alone, and that is just not fair. There should be no questions about what "color" you are on your job or school application.
 
ChrisL said:
I disagree. I think programs like this encourage businesses and schools to accept, hire and promote based on race and gender alone, and that is just not fair. There should be no questions about what "color" you are on your job or school application.
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but they dont, in fact, if an org does hire/promote based on race they are breaking the law and factually not practicing AA/EO

i have no idea why you arent grasping this
 
AGENT J said:
but they dont, in fact, if an org does hire/promote based on race they are breaking the law and factually not practicing AA/EO

i have no idea why you arent grasping this
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I have no idea why you keep denying that this happens often. These laws stem from the times shortly after civil rights for African Americans and women were put into place. They are old and not needed anymore since denying someone work, etc. on the basis of their race or gender is already illegal.
 
ChrisL said:
1.) I have no idea why you keep denying that this happens often.
2.)These laws stem from the times shortly after civil rights for African Americans and women were put into place.
3.)They are old and not needed anymore since denying someone work, etc. on the basis of their race or gender is already illegal.
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1.) CHRISL!!!! LOL

since its you and i know you area good poster and i like you and respect you i wont harp on this because i know its just a mistake and you arent being dishonest

but i havent denied anything, not one time

what i have done is pointer out the facts that if a company is hiring based on race they are breaking the law and they are NOT practicing AA/EO

2.) im well aware of where they stem from, doesnt change the fact of how effective they are today and how they have changed

3.) this is simply not true since they factually benefit us all
 
AGENT J said:
1.) CHRISL!!!! LOL

since its you and i know you area good poster and i like you and respect you i wont harp on this because i know its just a mistake and you arent being dishonest

but i havent denied anything, not one time

what i have done is pointer out the facts that if a company is hiring based on race they are breaking the law and they are NOT practicing AA/EO

2.) im well aware of where they stem from, doesnt change the fact of how effective they are today and how they have changed

3.) this is simply not true since they factually benefit us all
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How do they "factually" benefit all of us, whatever that's supposed to mean.
 
ChrisL said:
How do they "factually" benefit all of us, whatever that's supposed to mean.
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thats easy, it factually benefits all of us by definition because it protects all of our rights and helps promote equality
 
AGENT J said:
thats easy, it factually benefits all of us by definition because it protects all of our rights and helps promote equality
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How? .
 
ChrisL said:
How? .
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oh goodness gracious, I know you dont fully understand AA/EO but do you not know how it works and what it does at all?

In the US AA refers to equal opportunity employment measures. This measures help prevent discriminating against employees on the basis of race, sex, creed, religion, color, or national origin. ALso five more recent statutes have listed other traits as "protected classes:
The Age Discrimination Act has protected those aged 40 and over
The Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 protects individuals who possess, or are thought to possess, a wide range of disabilities, ranging from paraplegia to Down Syndrome to autism.
The Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008 forbids discrimination on the basis of family history and genetic information.[5]
The Vietnam Era Veterans Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974 forbids discrimination on the grounds of a worker's military history, including any effects that the battlefield might have had on the worker's psyche.
Twelve states, over one hundred local governments, and the District of Columbia[6] have passed statutes that forbid discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation; also, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act would allegedly make sexuality a protected class, but this bill has yet to pass Congress.

I can also give you many links if you like.
 
AGENT J said:
oh goodness gracious, I know you dont fully understand AA/EO but do you not know how it works and what it does at all?

In the US AA refers to equal opportunity employment measures. This measures help prevent discriminating against employees on the basis of race, sex, creed, religion, color, or national origin. ALso five more recent statutes have listed other traits as "protected classes:
The Age Discrimination Act has protected those aged 40 and over
The Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 protects individuals who possess, or are thought to possess, a wide range of disabilities, ranging from paraplegia to Down Syndrome to autism.
The Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008 forbids discrimination on the basis of family history and genetic information.[5]
The Vietnam Era Veterans Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974 forbids discrimination on the grounds of a worker's military history, including any effects that the battlefield might have had on the worker's psyche.
Twelve states, over one hundred local governments, and the District of Columbia[6] have passed statutes that forbid discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation; also, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act would allegedly make sexuality a protected class, but this bill has yet to pass Congress.

I can also give you many links if you like.
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We have laws that cover all of those things. They are all illegal. We don't need AA for any of those things.
 
Everybody knows that AA is aimed at hiring practices and college admissions to make sure they have enough minority students to satisfy a quota. Now you can go on denying it and saying that AA is some great equalizer, but it most certainly isn't when people with merit are overlooked because of someone else's skin color or gender. It is enough that all of those forms of discrimination are illegal.
 
Logging off now. TTYL! :2wave: Have a good one!
 
ChrisL said:
1.)Everybody knows that AA is aimed at hiring practices and college admissions to make sure they have enough minority students to satisfy a quota.
2.) Now you can go on denying it and saying that AA is some great equalizer, but it most certainly isn't when people with merit are overlooked because of someone else's skin color or gender.
3.) It is enough that all of those forms of discrimination are illegal.
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1.)nope see this is where you are 100% wrong, as already proven multiple times with links and i could even provide court cases too qoutas are illegal and those caught using them suffer consequences. Facts prove your statement wrong.
2.) again not denying anything you are simply stating something that is NOT AA/EO and no matter how many times you call it that you wil be factually wrong as already proven with facts and links.
3.) obviously not since we all benefit from AA/EO today
 
ChrisL said:
We have laws that cover all of those things. They are all illegal. We don't need AA for any of those things.
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again facts and reality disagree with you. We do need AA/EO for all of those things. Some of those things were just done in the 90s lol guess we just did it for fun then right?
 
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