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    Re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    he's a minority. of course he doesn't see anything wrong with a policy that gives minorities an advantage. so he will defend/deny to his last breath that such a policy exists. Hell...I wouldn't complain about a policy that forced the NFL and NBA to hire old white guys and pay them millions of $$$$
    wrong, im just going withthe fact and you are going with conspiracy theories.

    can you explain why facts and the definition of AA/EO disagree with your failed opinions?
    can you explain why my company has not qoutas and why they demographics of are work force doesnt match and we arent forced to match it
    can you expalin that even when or HQ was investigated because somebody CLAIMED discrimination that they failed and it didnt even make it to court even thoguh the demographics at HQ are WAY off drom the demographics of the population (large lation population near HQ)

    thats right you cant because facts support my posts and you have resorted to lying and making stuff up
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    Re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    I knew that was the case

    I saw a segment on ESPN the other day in which the MLB has a guy who monitors the amount of black players in the sport. I don't remember his exact title, but it was something with the word 'Diversity' in it. He was going on about how there aren't enough blacks playing baseball. They then showed the stats for how many blacks play in the NBA (79%) and the NFL (74%). Needless to say, neither of those organizations has hired anyone to monitor the amount of whites in the sport

    and that makes you wrong again
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    Re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    self segration is verry rampet not institutional racism

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    Re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so what about the executive order that mandates employers implement plans to increase the number of minority employee if their workforce is not "representative" of the population?any way you slice it, that's a freakin quota. if blacks make up 13% of the population...you must have 13% black employees or implement a plan to hire more blacks. if females make up 51% of the population...you must have 51% female employees or implement a plan to hire more females.
    Depends on the plans. If it's a quota, it's a quota, and that's probably not good (illegal according to AGentJ). If it's a plan to broaden the candidate search to include areas that you were not including before, but that have high percentage minority, for example, and you still only selected the best qualified candidates, this would not be a quota, but might meet the criteria of a plan that will end up increasing the number of minority employees.

    Although we use race, IMO it's really culture. No one thinks negatively if Morgan Freeman applies for a job, he's not judged on race. If an ex-gang-baner who is trying to turn his life around, has tats and different accent and mannerisms than the company interviewing him, they may not feel culturally comfortable with him, and reject him. Which to a degree is fine. What it's about understanding that we all have bias, especially cultural bias, and we should at least make some effort to understand that if we are in a position of authority. Not being aware of this is worse than being aware. Compensating some for this is better than no compensation whatsoever (not pay, compensate like make changes). It will never emotionally feel right for most people, that's the entire point. It should be pushed for to *some reasonable* degree though by employers IMO.

    If you hire people regularly, you understand that there is no perfect objective standard by which to hire from. Much of it is the feeling you get from the individual, because they typically had to meet the objective resume criteria just to get to the in-person interview...GPA, what school, which classes, work experience, these are fairly objective. But if they meet those, and in the in-person don't seem to be a good team-firt, you may think well, there are others better qualified that are a good team fit. OK, that's understandable, but was the primary determinant their cultural difference that made them not a good fit? If so, you may want to scrutinize that choice a little more.

    I have had good results using that personally, I have made some hires that I was to a degree uncomfortable with on culture grounds, along with others in the workplace, and sure we put a little extra effort into making it work. In these particular cases, the individuals ended up being top performers, top 5%, cornerstones of the company. Still different culturally but I think we're all better for it.
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    Re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    nope
    please feel free to prove any of this wrong
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    Re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Depends on the plans. If it's a quota, it's a quota, and that's probably not good (illegal according to AGentJ). If it's a plan to broaden the candidate search to include areas that you were not including before, but that have high percentage minority, for example, and you still only selected the best qualified candidates, this would not be a quota, but might meet the criteria of a plan that will end up increasing the number of minority employees.

    Although we use race, IMO it's really culture. No one thinks negatively if Morgan Freeman applies for a job, he's not judged on race. If an ex-gang-banker who is trying to turn his life around, has tats and different accent and mannerisms than the company interviewing him, they may not feel culturally comfortable with him, and reject him. Which to a degree is fine. What it's about understanding that we all have bias, especially cultural bias, and we should at least make some effort to understand that if we are in a position of authority. Not being aware of this is worse than being aware. Compensating some for this is better than no compensation whatsoever (not pay, compensate like make changes). It will never emotionally feel right for most people, that's the entire point. It should be pushed for to *some reasonable* degree though by employers IMO.

    If you hire people regularly, you understand that there is no perfect objective standard by which to hire from. Much of it is the feeling you get from the individual, because they typically had to meet the objective resume criteria just to get to the in-person interview...GPA, what school, which classes, work experience, these are fairly objective. But if they meet them and they seem to not be a good team-first, you may think well, there are others better qualified that are a good team fit. OK, that's understandable, but was the primary determinant their cultural difference that made them not a good fit? If so, you may want to scrutinize that choice a little more.

    reasonable post
    but its illegal according to the law, not me

    and orgs when caught having a quota have faced fines and criminal action
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    Re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
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    so you dont then, i understand. Let me know when you do im ready to have a honest discussion of facts when ever you are.
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    Re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    wrong, im just going withthe fact and you are going with conspiracy theories.
    wrong, you are just going with your own biased opinion.

    can you explain why facts and the definition of AA/EO disagree with your failed opinions?
    I linked and quoted the exact verbage from the Exec Order that supports my opinion

    can you explain why my company has not qoutas and why they demographics of are work force doesnt match and we arent forced to match it
    no, I cannot explain any claim you have made without any proof to back it up. you could claim your company sold rainbow striped unicorns.

    can you expalin that even when or HQ was investigated because somebody CLAIMED discrimination that they failed and it didnt even make it to court even thoguh the demographics at HQ are WAY off drom the demographics of the population (large lation population near HQ)
    again..I can't explain any unsupported claims you make

    thats right you cant because facts support my posts and you have resorted to lying and making stuff up
    except for the pesky little detail of you not providing any "facts" to support your posts. simply claiming "my company does XYZ" is not a fact. for all the "proof" you've provided...you could be the one "making stuff up"
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    Re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    1.)wrong, you are just going with your own biased opinion.
    2.)I linked and quoted the exact verbage from the Exec Order that supports my opinion
    3.)no, I cannot explain any claim you have made without any proof to back it up. you could claim your company sold rainbow striped unicorns.
    4.)again..I can't explain any unsupported claims you make



    except for the pesky little detail of you not providing any "facts" to support your posts. simply claiming "my company does XYZ" is not a fact. for all the "proof" you've provided...you could be the one "making stuff up"
    1.) accept for the facts and links i provided
    2.) yes you did and i linked the exact thing you were talking about and quoted what it ACTUALLY Said and what it FACTUALLY means. You make assumption on top of its verbiage that isnt actually said. This is why you failed.
    Facts and links prove your opinion wrong, this fact wont change.
    3.) deflect all you want you cant explain cause your assumptions and opinions are wrong
    4.) see answer 3
    5.) oih but i did, links to the order you cried about and links to other AA/EO policies that all prove your opinion wrong. You can deny it if you like but the definition and requirements for AA/EO are not going to change based on your opinion. Then theres also the provided facts that stat qoutas are illegal and if you like i can find cases where a company having qoutas had criminal action taken agains it.

    You can keep spinning, posting lies and ignore the facts all you want but they simply prove your opinion wrong. Would you like me to post all the links again and look for the court cases?
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    Re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) accept for the facts and links i provided
    2.) yes you did and i linked the exact thing you were talking about and quoted what it ACTUALLY Said and what it FACTUALLY means. You make assumption on top of its verbiage that isnt actually said. This is why you failed.
    Facts and links prove your opinion wrong, this fact wont change.
    3.) deflect all you want you cant explain cause your assumptions and opinions are wrong
    4.) see answer 3
    5.) oih but i did, links to the order you cried about and links to other AA/EO policies that all prove your opinion wrong. You can deny it if you like but the definition and requirements for AA/EO are not going to change based on your opinion. Then theres also the provided facts that stat qoutas are illegal and if you like i can find cases where a company having qoutas had criminal action taken agains it.

    You can keep spinning, posting lies and ignore the facts all you want but they simply prove your opinion wrong. Would you like me to post all the links again and look for the court cases?
    and you can't just keep on spinning tall tales about what your company has or has not done.......
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